Catholics worship at site of Hindu goddess of death

They flock to the Church of “Lady of Vailankani” built on the plot of a shrine of the Hindu goddess Kali.

An idol of the Hindu goddess Kali, the goddess that brings untimely death.

The Church of Lady of Vailankani is built on the site where there was a shrine of the Hindu goddess Kali. She is the goddess of death.

This idol of Kali, exposes that she has a crescent moon on her forehead. Just like we can see on images of Catholic “ladies”. Even one “Catholic Mary” in the US, is sitting on a crescent moon. You will find the pictures down below.

In the center of the crescent moon on Kalis forehead, is the image of the sun god. In Hindu mythology, this is the symbol of the evil eye. This crescent moon and sun god image, is the same as the main symbol of Islam. The same symbolism is found in the Eucharist, the main ritual of Catholicism.

The Catholic gold stand that holds up the Eucharist. The crescent moon and the image of the sun god, in the form of a round wafer.
Hindu Goddess Kali bear the same mark on her forehead. The mark of death.
Hindu Goddess Kali bear the same mark on her forehead. The mark of death.

On the top of a Mosque in Pakistan. The crescent moon, and the sun god image.

They are not possible to number, all the incident of Roman Catholics in India that has died in tragic car accident on the return from this “holy site”. This is the site of a Church, that was built on a plot of a Hindu shrine. The Portuguese stole this property, and raised a Catholic Church.

An idol of the Catholic lady of Vailankani, holding her son.

Lets read a news item I picked up from the Catholic Newspaper in the Indian state of Goa:

“A pilgrimage from Vailankani ended in tragedy for a Fatorda Family, when two family members were killed and four were injured in a road accident along the Khanapur-Yellapur highway on Friday afternoon.”

Source: Goa Herald.
18.09.10.

The Church of Lady of Vailankani in South India.

This is what the official website of the Catholic Church explains about this Church in South India:

Our lady of Good Health, popularly called “Our Lady of Vailankanni” is in the small town of Vailankanni (5000 residents) located on the shores of the Bay of Bengal.

It is located 150 miles south of Madras in Tamil Nadu and 5 miles south of Nagapattinam. Our lady chose this place to dispense her miracles to mankind.

A strong oral tradition attests to Our Lady’s apparitions at Vailankanni(Velankanni). The tradition is built around the following three significant events:

Sometime during the sixteenth century, Our Lady with her infant son appeared to a Hindu boy carrying milk to a customer’s home.

An image of a Hindu boy offering milk to the idol.

While he rested under a Banyan tree near a tank (pond), Our Lady appeared to him and asked for milk for her Son and the boy gave her some.

On reaching the customer’s home, the boy apologized for his lateness and the reduced amount of milk by relating the incident that occurred on his way.

On inspection, the man found the milk pot to be full and realized that something miraculous had happened. That man, also a Hindu, wanting to see the place where the apparition occurred, accompanied the boy.

End of Source:

Lets take a look at some more images of the Hindu goddess of death.

Kali has taken the head of a lot of people. Car collisions is one of her style of killing.
Many idols of Goddess Kali is not exactly a pretty sight. The crescent moon is there on her forehead. Also the evil eye on the center of the moon image is clearly seen.

Lets look at some picture of Catholic Mary, that also has a crescent moon as a central part of the image. On this image, the symbol of the sun god in placed at the heart of the idol.

Like a Buddha she sits, on top of the crescent moon. St. Stanislaus Kostka Church in Chicago.
A Catholic Marian website, where the symbol of Islam is clearly seen.

When you google Hindu Goddess Kali, this is what you get. This information is from a Hindu website:

“Kalika” is the Hindu goddess associated with eternal energy. The name Kali comes from kāla, which means black, time, death, lord of death,

Goddess Kali has always enjoyed a significant presence in our culture. She appears in various forms as an embodiment of Shakti, the eternal energy and cosmic power. She is also believed to be the eternal cosmic strength that destroys all existence. Her facial expressions depict the extent of her powers of destruction.

(end of information on a site of Hinduism).

In the end, all world religions will unite. For the sake of “peace”.  Only people who believe in Jesus will object, and call all of this for falsehood.

Interesting stuff, is it not?

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77 thoughts on “Catholics worship at site of Hindu goddess of death

  1. Kali the goddess of death? On an urgent basis, you need to learn about Indian culture and the Hindu religion. I presume you are one of those westerners who sit in ivory towers and attempt to run down other beliefs that do not conform to your own sick concepts.

    To educate you: Kali is the goddess of death. Yes. She is indeed the goddess of death. But not death of innocent people. Kali signifies the death of demons and hence, you see her idols and pictures trampling on some evil-doer. Kali assumed nine forms (Nava Durga) to fight various demons and other tormentors of the human race. Each time, she successfully vanquished her adversary and saved the mankind.

    People who believe in Jesus? Tell me please, how many versions of the Holy Bible exist today? At the last count, I had found 14 different versions. I dont mean the King James Version, New International Version etc. What I mean is versions that conflict with one-another. Also, Christianity is so fragmented that Jesus Christ would be ashamed of what a religion he founded has become. Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Born Agains…..Each one claiming to be better than the others, each claiming to be the true path to god.

    Hindus, on the other hand, have remained as one people and one nation despite the onslaught of various other religions. Hindus never started wars. Nor did Buddhists or Sikhs nor Muslims nor Zoroastrians. Wars and all evils of the world- capitalism, colonialism, materialism have emerged out of the so called Christian world. Check your history books and you’ll see. This means, it’s your Christian world that needs to follow Hindus and find their way of happy and content life.

    If you believe the Holy Bible is the truth…can you please explain, why god created Eve, alongside Adam? Surely, because he wanted Adam to have a sex life. God did not create a brother for Adam because he did not want a planet full of homosexuals. Then, as most Christians do, why blame Satan for tempting Adam and Eve? Does your Bible have any answers about why Eve was created? And if the snake was condemned to crawl upon its belly…can you please enlighten me on how the snake traveled before it was cursed to crawl???

    1. Dear Soumitra Dey.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You wrote:

      If you believe the Holy Bible is the truth…can you please explain, why god created Eve, alongside Adam? Surely, because he wanted Adam to have a sex life.

      My reply:

      Yes, I believe so. They had children. Do you have?

      In regards to Jesus: There are many who have done a lot of non sense in the name of “Christianity”. But can you point out some mistakes in the teaching of Jesus?

      I guess He did only good?

  2. Thanks. I’m the proud parent of three boys and a bonny girl.

    The Bible claims, Jesus was son of god. Fair enough. Then which god orders the slaughter of a whole village? The father of Jesus. In case you’ve forgotten your Bible..

    The Biblical account describes the Israelites being lead by Joshua and crossing the Jordan into Canaan where they laid siege to the city of Jericho. There God spoke to Joshua telling him to march around the city once every day for six days with the seven priests carrying ram’s horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day they were to march around the city seven times and the priests were to blow their ram’s horns. This Joshua did, and he commanded his people not to give a war-cry until he told them to do so. On the seventh day, after marching around the city the seventh time, the priests sounded their ram’s horns, and Joshua ordered the people to shout. The walls of the city collapsed, and the Israelites were able to charge straight into the city. The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, and child in it was killed. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua. After this Joshua burned the remains of the city and cursed any man who would rebuild the city of Jericho would do so at the cost of his firstborn son.

    So, if Joshua was following the god who was Jesus’ father, how can Jesus claim his god is so merciful that every sinner is pardoned. Did not Jesus’ father order the slaughter of first born babies? Or is the Bible telling lies????

    And you have not answered my question yet: Christians ( I don’t know which brand of Christianity you follow) believe Jesus came on Earth to clean them of a sin committed by Adam and Eve, for which they were banished from Eden. So, in the first place, why did God create a woman to accompany Adam, unless it was to tempt him? And if god indeed wanted Adam to have a carnal relationship with Eve, how has Adam and the ensuing generations sinned? What was the need to send Jesus back to the Earth…when humans were not born of an original sin.

    Jesus did a lot of good things. Possible. There’s an old proverb which states, history always favors the victor. Similarly, those who wrote the bible would definitely not mention any mistakes or evil deeds of Jesus. Tell me, which history book speaks about death camps for Jews in Britain and France? They were victors while Nazi Germany lost and its death camps are used till date to remind citizens of that country about that horrible past.

    The Bible, similarly, was penned by people who followed Jesus who, for obvious reasons, won’t write anything derogatory.

    Jesus did good only? Maybe. I wasn’t born at that time. But Mahatma Gandhi did good too. And Gandhi also performed a miracle by making India the first country in the world to have won freedom through a peaceful non-violent struggle. Nobody in the modern world has ever won freedom for their country as peacefully. And I doubt anybody else will. Does this mean you will worship Gandhi?

    Also, you fail to answer my question on the number of Christian cults and the differences in Bibles. The Hindus, in comparison, have only one holy book, the Srimad Bhagwad Geeta and that is available in its original form. Why? Simply because Indians and Hindus don’t look upon religion as a money spinning business.

    1. Dear Soumitra Dey.

      Shalom, and thanks for this comment.

      You wrote:

      Jesus did good only? Maybe. I wasn’t born at that time. But Mahatma Gandhi did good too.

      My reply:

      I am surprised. Did you met Mahatma Gandhi? Or have you read a book about his life?

      And please write short messages. I can not answer dozens of questions in every reply.

    2. Soumitra Dey,

      I’m not calling here your gods and goddesses liars, nor am I calling your “Holy Book” false, so please don’t say Jesus is a liar, nor say the Bible is false.

      Did any of your gods or goddesses say they could give you salvation (save you) NOW?

      Did any of your gods or goddesses become a sinless human, and was tortured and killed for YOUR personal sins?

      Please read and think about this scripture carefully….

      Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

      Instead of believing in many gods and goddesses, believe in the One Almighty God. Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

      Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

      1. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom, and thanks for helping, being in ministry. May Jesus bless you with all kinds of heavenly blessing for telling others the truth about Him.

  3. The Bible is among most violent religious texts I’ve encountered because it speaks of mass destruction: Sodom, Gomorrah and Jericho, to name a few. So, if the Bible itself justifies death, you or any other Christian has no right to mock Goddess Kali. Because Kali slaughtered only demons and NOT innocent, first born kids. The god of Bible and father of Jesus actually ordered the killing of innocents as is well documented. And Christians have kept that tradition alive by slaughtering innocent people in their colonies, during the colonial era. The nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are a clear example of how destructive Christians are. So, before you criticize Hindus and India, take a look at your own house.

    1. Soumitra Dey

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      The nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are a clear example of how destructive Christians are.

      My reply:

      It is impolite of you not answering my question, and if you do not, please stay offline.

      Please, tell me what was wrong with the teachings of Jesus? At least one point.

      1. Dear Sir, to begin with, you have not answered my questions, so you’re impolite. Perhaps you don’t know the answers or fear approaching them. If you don’t know the answers, don’t write. Especially don’t criticize others. Tell me, what is good about the teachings of Jesus? That he is the only one who can save the world. That is wrong. Sri Krishna has promised the world he will return to the Earth to save the righteous. And we Hindus had this promise long before Jesus was born and we cherish it till date.
        I never met Gandhi but have you met Jesus Christ in person? Gandhi never claimed to be immortal like Jesus. Till his end, he always said he’s human and prone to human vagaries.

    2. Soumitra,

      I think it is horrific how you twist the Word of God to suit your own needs.

      Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because the chose to live the way satan wanted Not the way God wanted who created all things.

      The bible says: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).

      And Soumitra: There is no godess of Kali. False idols and teachers are of the devil. The holy word of God says:

      Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

      Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

      There is only JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR. And it is you who will have a huge wake up call on the day of judgment if you do not repent of your sins.

      Romans 14:11 says: It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'”

    1. Dear Sue

      Shalom.

      I feel you should ask that question to Soumitra Dey.

      If she is going to stay off line, I will try to find out about the tongue.

  4. Yes, Soumitra is back. To answer the first question, which God has promised us salvation today? The answer is Bhagwan Sri Krishna. The Srimad Bhagwad Gita explicitly states He will return to save the world when the righteous are threatened.

    Sue..Kali may not make a beautiful image. But neither does an instrument of execution such as the cross, which you Christians worship, represent any aesthetic art. And even worse- a cross with a shriveled body..YUKKK.

    I am quoting a Bible verse that Gloria has been so kind to post: The bible says: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).

    Please note Gloria, Ivan and others…these qualities are predominant in the west. Else how do you explain the high number of single mothers in Western countries? Thieves and the greedy- a quality that’s best seen among the western civilizations who for ages have plundered the wealth of peaceful nations like India to enrich themselves. Wickedness…you should tell that to George W. Bush and Tony Blair. They were Christians after all. Idolators- does not mean idol worship. It means when you consider anything as your objective. In your cases, the Bible is an idol and so is the cross. Which means, you are also idolators.

    And by the way, our Hindu religion does not prohibit idol worship. So, why should we stop worshiping our idols and conform to your twisted and wicked ways of glorifying a false god who was the Father of Mass Destruction?

    If you are implying that your western culture and religion are better than ours, please take a good look around you: All places where Christianity prevails are plagued with MORE problems than India and Hindus. The West has an ageing population and less healthcare facilities. Their economies are decadent. Sexual immorality as my friend describes, is rampant in the west. New York accounts for the highest number of homosexual rapes.

    India and Hindus, on the other hand, are flourishing. We are billed to be the next superpower of the world. And that is exactly what annoys westerners. Julia Roberts converted to Hinduism with her family. So, where was your so called living god at that time? Thousands of foreigners flock to India every year and find Hinduism as their religion.

    And Ivan, you can find out about Maha Kali’s tongue. I would like to know which source you will use.

    1. Dear Soumitra Dey

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      Sue..Kali may not make a beautiful image. But neither does an instrument of execution such as the cross, which you Christians worship, represent any aesthetic art. And even worse- a cross with a shriveled body..YUKKK.

      My comment:

      I can fully understand that Hindus does not know the difference between the Catholic faith, and Christianity.

      The crucifixes carried by Catholics, are the very sign of Lucifer. They walk abound with a dead Messiah around their neck. True followers of Jesus do not do that.

      We worship the living God, in spirit and in truth. The empty cross, and the empty grave is the sign of victory over Satan. All sins have been paid for, and eternal life is available for all who believe in Jesus.

    2. Soumitra Dey said:
      “To answer the first question, which God has promised us salvation today? The answer is Bhagwan Sri Krishna. The Srimad Bhagwad Gita explicitly states He will return to save the world when the righteous are threatened.”

      So you have admitted that your god does not save you now.
      You can have salvation now through Jesus Christ.

      1. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        Who is Krishna?

        I guess he is an ancient Hindu copy of Christ?

        Many Hindu has told me: You Christians have Christ, we have Krishna. They will both save us.

        In Hinduism, there is even a Bali Raja. The suffering King. He paid for the sins of other people. The problem is that He suffered and was killed in India. He never came to the Temple in Jerusalem. He did not have God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as His Father. He never took the Hebrews out of Egypt.

        Fascinated, is it not.

        Dear Soumitra. When you will come to know how much I know about Hinduism and India, it might surprise you.

    3. Soumitra

      You wrote: In regards to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – Please note Gloria, Ivan and others…these qualities are predominant in the west. Else how do you explain the high number of single mothers in Western countries? Thieves and the greedy- a quality that’s best seen among the western civilizations who for ages have plundered the wealth of peaceful nations like India to enrich themselves. Wickedness…you should tell that to George W. Bush and Tony Blair. They were Christians after all. Idolators- does not mean idol worship. It means when you consider anything as your objective. In your cases, the Bible is an idol and so is the cross. Which means, you are also idolators.

      My Comment: Where in the bible verse did it say God was speaking directly to the Hindu’s? No where! God was speaking to everyone who worships idols.

      Your Comment: Idolators- does not mean idol worship. It means when you consider anything as your objective. In your cases, the Bible is an idol and so is the cross. Which means, you are also idolators.

      My Comment: Idolates means: A person who worships an idol or idols. So I was correct in using the appropriate word for what you do.

      Your Comment: In your cases, the Bible is an idol and so is the cross. Which means, you are also idolators.

      My Comment; As I posted earlier, I have been in the presence of Christ (Thank you Jesus!) Jesus Christ lives, and he speaks! I highly doubt that Krishna lives and speaks.

      God Bless.

    1. Soumitra,

      I do not know what “import” had to do with anything.

      But let me ask you this. I have been in the presence of Christ (Thank you Jesus!)

      Have you ever been in the presence of Krishna?

      I have seen my Pastor cast out demons in the name of Jesus Christ.

      Have you or anyone in your religion cast out demons in the name of Krishna?

  5. Dear Sir, you don’t seem to know anything about India and its culture or the Hindu religion. Bali Raja was not the suffering king- to correct you in the first place. If you need more information about Baliraja, please visit your nearest ISKCON temple and speak to one of their teachers. You will be welcomed with open arms since we don’t preach violence and hatred like you. And surely, Baliraja did not need to go to Jerusalem or Singapore- he met Sri Krishna (Lord Vishnu) in India itself. So, if your god had to travel to Egypt, Jerusalem or Paris..hehehehe..

    1. Soumitra Day

      Shalom.

      Your comment:

      So, if your god had to travel to Egypt, Jerusalem or Paris..hehehehe..

      My reply:

      Jesus came as a man, sent from Heaven, called to pay the penalty for our sins. He had to die somewhere. He died, and he rose again from the grave in the city of Jerusalem.

      1. Jesus came as a man sent from Heaven, to pay the penalty for our sins…to reconcile us to God.
        Jesus didn’t come to be a son to Mary (for we are all his mother, sister and brother, if we obey God); Jesus didn’t come to get married; nor have children; nor to fight in wars. Jesus only came to save us. Jesus is the Word of God.

        Krishna, and other gods and goddesses, came to play as humans…to kill; to be in battles and wars; to have many wives and relationships, etc.

        Jesus gives eternal life.

        Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

    2. Hindu gods all pagans, how many gods have for the Hindus? Our creator is God of Abraham,Issac,and Israel. We will preach our gospel around world, and we are waiting for savior Jesus Christ .Son of God !!

  6. And this time, if you are using a tactic to tire me out or get me angry, that won’t help. I have all the time in the world and I rarely lose my temper. Grow up Mr. Blogger and your team. Get yourselves a life. Spreading hate and religious dissent will not help you or others.

    1. I doubt anyone here is using a “tatic” to tire you out.

      I speak for the believers in Christ here that it is with care and love that we share the news of Christ with you, so you come to see the truth-that only Jesus Christ can save.

      God Bless.

  7. A closer look at your blog and articles indicate you are in Goa. It won’t be hard to find out the face that spreads all this hatred in a small state like that.

    1. Soumitra Dey

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      A closer look at your blog and articles indicate you are in Goa. It won’t be hard to find out the face that spreads all this hatred in a small state like that.

      I wish we could all meet sometime and discuss this personally.

      My reply:

      Gloria is my sister, and my house is her house. If she can come, may be we all can spend a day together and debate faith. That would be fun. Invitation is hereby given with love and grace.

    2. Soumitra,

      Your Comment: A closer look at your blog and articles indicate you are in Goa. It won’t be hard to find out the face that spreads all this hatred in a small state like that.

      My Comment: I’m from New York. If you are ever in New York, I’d like to take you to the church I attend, where Jesus Christ is our Savior.

  8. I wish we could all meet sometime and discuss this personally. We could have a nice discussion on various religions, beliefs and cultures. If you guys are outside India, I take this opportunity to invite you to my great land and experience it yourselves.

  9. I love academic discussions but hate talks aimed at forcing an idea or concepts down the throats of others. If you expect to be respected for your views, you must learn to respect the views of others.

    1. Soumitra,

      Many unbelievers in Christ think we (true believers of Christ) speak with hate.

      Again, it is with love and with me personally knowing and seeing what awaits those who do not believe in Christ, it is with love that I share with you the love of Jesus.

  10. Our Sri Krishna does not keep an account of sins. The Srimad Bhagwad Geeta has clear outlines for how we should live our life. And when we die, based on our Karma, we will be reborn.

    Also, Lord Krishna will save us. Victoria, it is a FALSE belief that you are saved. And saved from what? I would love to know. Saved from the sins committed by Adam and Eve? According to ivarjeld, Adam and Eve never sinned because your god intended them to copulate like every animal on Planet Earth. So, what are you saved from?

    1. Soumitra Dey

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      Saved from the sins committed by Adam and Eve?

      My reply:

      All men have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. That includes me and you.

      We all tell white lies. I have not met a single Indian that has never indulged them selves in corruption with the local police. On the road, they all pay at least 50 Rs. into the pockets of the man of law. Black money, sins from A to Z.

      Have you done this?

      What do Krishna say about this kind of corruption? Do he permits such acts?

      Jesus died on the cross, to save all of us from our life of sin.

    2. Soumitra Dey,

      Did I not ask if you would not tell me my beliefs are a false? I did not say that to you about your beliefs.
      Jesus saved me. I am reconciled to God. I am perfect and holy, as I aim for perfection in walk with the Lord.
      I am saved from God’s wrath. Jesus paid my debt.

      In your beliefs, you must be subject to karma. Also, you don’t know for sure what your life holds for you in the next life to come.

      If you want to have salvation, come to Jesus.

  11. Dear Victoria, I am happy to be a Hindu and follow my ways rather that follow a foreign religion whose history makes me puke. You claim you are saved and perfect and saved from god’s wrath. But you don’t explain from what you are saved and why would your god be angry at you. Also you don’t state what debts you had that your Jesus had to pay.

    Yes, we Hindus are subject to Karma and we know that after our death, our souls will be reborn on this earth. Death is the only certainty of life and my religion tells me to be content.

    I don’t need to fear non-existent places like hell or dream about going to an eutopia called as heaven, by your god. There is no proof these places exist and hence, for me,they are only part of your Christian mythology, cooked up by some persons with a rabid imagination.

    Also to reply ivanfeld, how much does the clergy or your supporters pay you to write against other religions and beliefs? Is that not corruption? You may cheat other saying you are doing this for free but anyone who knows the world of blogging would definitely point out that money has influenced your blog. Which means you are corrupt as well. Therefore, you have no right to preach to other people- especially Hindus.

    1. Soumitra Dey,

      The penalty of disobeying God.
      I now have a relationship with God the Father because of Jesus.

      Are you not tired of looking out to see what karma will do to you in the next second, minute, hour, or sometime today or night?
      Are you not tired of trying to overcome the world with human wisdom and philosphy, which is impossible to do. Only through Jesus can we overcome this world.
      Are you not tired of not knowing about all the lives you’ve lived before and all the things you might of learned or not of learned?
      Are you not tired of not knowing what your next lives will be?

      “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

    2. Soumitra Dey

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      Therefore, you have no right to preach to other people- especially Hindus.

      My reply:

      A few minutes a go, you wanted to met me personally and debate faith. Now, you tell me not to preach to you.

      Can there be any harm in sharing the teachings of Jesus and Krishna with each other?

      India is a secular and democratic republic. From were have you got the knowledge, than anyone in India is banned from sharing his or her’s faith with others?

    3. Dear Soumitra Dey

      Shalom, and thanks for all kinds of comments.

      You wrote:

      I don’t need to fear non-existent places like hell or dream about going to an eutopia called as heaven, by your god.

      My reply:

      If you are honest, you will admit that reincarnation is a burden. For many reason:

      1. The World is full of pollution, injustice, violence, corruption, sickness and sin. Why do you want to return to Earth?

      2. Within Hinduism, you can not be sure what kind of being you will be when you return.

      I guess you are not sure either. Please explain.

  12. And dear, I know this trick as well. Trying to sow doubt in my mind and getting me to admit it. Its a common trick used by people selling useless stuff like insurance. That reminds me…insurance is sold on fear. The salesman instills the fear of tomorrow to sell insurance. And that’s exactly how you are trying to sell your religion. By scaring unsuspecting people of a tomorrow.

    Sad, sad, sad and singularly disgusting. As I said before, Jesus Christ would have shed tears seeing that a religion he founded has become a racket.

  13. Hahahahaha….I had expected a much better reply than this. At least, our god tells us we will be born on the earth. And earth is not such a bad place as you might think.

    You find the earth a bad place because you don’t know how to enjoy life. And, you’ve blinded yourself by following a hoax and a fraud.

    Your god promises you a place that might not even exist.

    At least, Hindus have seen Planet Earth.

    Have you or any Christian or Catholic or whatever you call yourselves, seen heaven or hell???

    1. Dear Mitro

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      And earth is not such a bad place as you might think….

      My reply:

      In India, there are 500 million people who can not read and write, because the top two percent of the elite has stolen all the nations money. What do you feel about that?

      In India, there are people who are treated like garbage. Within Hinduism, they are branded as untouchables. What do you feel about that?

      In India, females are aborted in tens of thousands, because a Hindu father can not afford to have more girls. Not able to get them married, longing for a son to light the sandal wood on his day of departure, so he can find his perfect karma. What do you feel about that?

      I could go on.

      When you live in sin, take pleasure in sin, and your religion it self is full of sin, you will enjoy all of this stuff.

      You did not answer me about reincarnation: Are you sure what kind of being your will return to Earth as?

    2. Soumitra,

      You wrote: Have you or any Christian or Catholic or whatever you call yourselves, seen heaven or hell???

      My Comment: I can only speak for myself. Acts 2:17 says: “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams’

      I have been in the presence of Christ, and no words could ever explain the perfection of his Glory.

      I have also seen what awaits those who do not believe in Christ. And Soumitra, it is far from a pretty sight.

      God Bless

      1. Dear Gloria.

        Shalom.

        You are a blessing to News That Matters, and you are a sister of mine. But there are some kind of comments, that are not so useful.

        You wrote:

        I have also seen what awaits those who do not believe in Christ. And Soumitra, it is far from a pretty sight.

        My reply:

        I refuse to believe you have been in Hell. I do not even think you have seen it. You might have had visions and dreams about the everlasting fire, but your testimony in not valid. If you have a video-clip of your dreams, or any other documentation, kindly let us know.

        Please give people the Word of God, and explain the scriptures to them. That is what non believers needs to hear. They can read the Bible. This is the very source where they will find the truth about Jesus.

      2. Ivar,

        Your Comment: I refuse to believe you have been in Hell. I do not even think you have seen it. You might have had visions and dreams about the everlasting fire, but your testimony in not valid. If you have a video-clip of your dreams, or any other documentation, kindly let us know.

        My Comment:

        I never said I have been/or seen hell. I guess my comment:” I have also seen what awaits those who do not believe in Christ. And Soumitra, it is far from a pretty sight” could have been taken that way, and for that I apologize for not being more precise.

        What I meant was: The Lord has blessed me with the ability to see things, a lot of humans would not understand. It began when I was 8, and since then it has happened quite a few times. I guess the appropriate word would be “visions” since I was awake for many of them. I have seen demons face to face, and have also been in the presence of Christ. I disagree with your opinion, “my testimony is not valid.” It is very valid, because Christ has allowed me to see it for a reason, and that is to share with those who do not believe that there is a hell, and to share the beauty of Jesus Christ to others.

        You ask if I have a video clip or documentation? Honestly, I’ve never thought of documenting and me being a “beginner level” of internet, I wouldn’t know how to begin using a video clip, or uploading one. Either way, I’ve testified in church and to others, in hopes many realize that Christ is coming soon.

        I will continue to give people the Word of God, but testifying what Christ had done is also an important part.

        I apologize if you feel I’ve taken over your blog with my numerous comments.

        God Bless you, and have a great day.

      3. Dear Gloria.

        Shalom.

        You are my beloved sister, and you are welcome to write as many comments as you want. This is very much your blog too. The days we had Muslim visitors in the hundreds, I enjoyed ministering with you.

        The Bible says do not add to scriptures. The day I claim that the fire of Hell is bluish in color, I might be right. But my testimony will not be valid. Because the scriptures do not mention the color of the flames, and the color is of no importance at all.

        In regards to demons, they are also very difficult to see. And for non believers, such stories will be like a fairytale. I know you are telling the truth. But be careful of underlining your own experiences, and leading people to look for miracles and wonders as a foundation of our faith. There are enough of scriptures where Jesus drove out demons, you can motivate others to read in the Bible.

        One day, they might face a demon them selves.

      4. Dear all readers, and in special Gloria my sister.

        Shalom.

        I apologize to Gloria for questioning her testimonies about what Jesus has done in her life.

        Gloria, please forgive me.

  14. A foolish man may be known by six things: Anger without cause, speech without profit, change without progress, inquiry without object, putting trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes for friends.

    1. Soumitra,

      In general a foolish man, can always be forgiven. For EVERYONE on this earth, has acted and said foolish things, but JESUS CHRIST in great kindness forgives our sins in everything.

      Now I jump to this subject: Idols and those that believe in them.

      Romans 1:25-26
      1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

      Thank you Jesus for you are great in all things.

  15. Hey hi..

    Read all the dicussions made by u all. Its really interesting. I am not taking side of Jejus or Lord Krushna..as In the whole discussion..gloria, soumitra and Ivar says either to just believe on any one. I am not getting a simple and single point ..scriptures either of cristian or of hindus written so long back and from the childhood we are listening, reading n writting them. Understanding them..so it is obvious to to accept others. But As far as the purpose of the Krishna or Jejus is to have a earth life pieceful and healthy.

    So better than arguing ..its better to get the depth of the scripture..both suggest the single aim..only difference is in the way towards it…

    So..
    God Bless you..

    Dev Tumche bhale karo!!!!

    🙂

  16. Just for the record, I was raised christian for 18 years of my life. I know A LOT about the bible and quite frankly I find truth in both Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) and the bible. Yes, I use murtis(idols) but I worship the energy they represent not the material. Mantras, the rules in the Shastras that Hindus follow are at least 90% scientifically sound, in other words there is reason to follow hindu teaching. Even the mantra OM can be heard echoing from the time of creation to this day. Is that a coincedence? Is it a coincedence that Krishna came at least 3000 years before Judaism and yet he lived through almost the same details of Jesus Christ. Same context of teaching, and threat of death by a king and over one hundred factual similarities. Right or wrong Krishna lived the life of Jesus before Jesus, just accept it. Saying its Satan is bogus since satan didnt know jesus came from royalty yet Krishna did? If he did he could have easily killed jesus. To say god let them write an accurate life of Jesus in the Vedas to test us would make god a liar and deceit according to biblical principle. So how do you go against fact and archeological evidence along with historical evidence based on the age of the vedas? Bottom line is that all religions are connected and Sanatana Dharma is the oldest. And I practice Hinduism now because Im sick and tired of living in fear of going to hell or dying because I didnt live a PErfect christian life. I find more peace with hinduism and more logic. I hate nothing more than people who try to push their religion on others, according to so called christians wouldnt it make more sense that false religion would be pushed down other peoples throat? It seems that the so called sinners are more peaceful than the so called christians. Fear is the tool, and I WILL not live my life based on fear and I will not be in a religion based on fear. And if jesus knew that people were using his teachings with fear then I think he would have to give them a teaching. Bottom line.

    1. Dear George.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You wrote:

      And I practice Hinduism now because Im sick and tired of living in fear of going to hell or dying because I didnt live a PErfect christian life. I find more peace with hinduism and more logic.

      My reply:

      You might have been raised in a Christian family, but you have never heard the true Gospel. You are not saved because of your own righteousness. You are saved because Jesus has paid the death penalty that you deserved. There is no more records of your sins in Heaven. If you truly understand this, Jesus has written your name in the book of the living.

      I feel sad for people who have been deceived by a different gospel, that we have to work, gain, win or purchase our salvation. The gospel of salvation by works, is a false gospel that has been invented by demons down in the bottomless pit.

      George. Come back to Jesus. Rest in Him. He will never send you to Hell, because of your mistakes. Just admit that you are human, and a saved sinner, who love Jesus above all. Amen.

      1. George,

        My comment: Krishna did not die of our sins. Christ did, and Christ is the one who is alive and coming back.

        Your comment: And I practice Hinduism now because Im sick and tired of living in fear of going to hell or dying because I didnt live a PErfect christian life.

        My comemnt: I make mistakes every day, and morning, during the day, and at night I ask God for his forgiveness. Because he is great, and will always be there for me. I do not live in fear, because I know Christ loves me. He has shown me how much.

        Ivar is 100% right: George. Come back to Jesus. Rest in Him. He will never send you to Hell, because of your mistakes. Just admit that you are human, and a saved sinner, who love Jesus above all.

        God Bless you George and may Christ touch your heart.

  17. Hi all,
    Read all the discussions.
    I was a hindu, brought up under various rituals.i started seeking the truth and became a hard core atheist.Then, Jesus opened my heart and accepted me as His child.
    From then on, i am living a peaceful life with the assurance of salvation.
    I have read the Gita, Quran, and the BIBLE. Whereas hinduism offers many ways to reach salvation (so called) Christianity is unique that Jesus offered himself as the way.
    Which of the so called gods were(are)ready to bear our sins?
    If u tell that u have not sinned, then its a big lie.
    As sister Gloria said, its the right time to come back to Jesus.
    dont think that u are converting from one religion to next. its not conversion; its transformation. Also, its like going back home, to the Creator who created you. not to some idols which you created.
    Anyway, its upto the person to accept or reject truth because God has given us free will and the ruler of this world has blinded many.
    and to George, Christians need not live in fear of being in hell.nor do we dream everytime of heaven. IT is the presence of Lord Jesus Christ for eternity which is our prize.
    And its not won by our efforts, but by his Grace. u have to seek Christ, not Christianity.
    As for the comment
    “Your god promises you a place that might not even exist.
    At least, Hindus have seen Planet Earth.”
    Its not needed. Salavation is not a free ticket to some resort.Its a way of life, enjoying everyday not fearing death.
    One cannot gain salvation by karma/bhakthi alone.
    “For the wages of sin is death”
    and there is only one way, Jesus, not many.
    Lastly, The scripture (BIBLE) is God breathed. Its the work of God not man.
    Years back, when the gospel was shared with me by my friend, I was also refusing to believe strongly arguing for the so called gods and goddesses. But when God touched me, i came to realize how foolish was I in believing and blindly following the idols.
    But for all of us, there is hope, becoz God has chosen the foolish of the world to shame the wise.
    Man’s understanding is limited, but with His grace, U can get to know the truth and the TRUTH WILL SET U FREE.
    May the Lord bless you and reveal you His purposes.
    Keep up the good work.
    Bye

    1. Dear Sandhya

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You wrote:

      As sister Gloria said, its the right time to come back to Jesus.

      My reply:

      Thanks for blessing Gloria. I am sure she is excited to have a sister like you.

      From a brother in Jesus the Messiah.

    2. Sandhya,

      Your Comment: I was a hindu, brought up under various rituals.i started seeking the truth and became a hard core atheist.Then, Jesus opened my heart and accepted me as His child.

      My Comment: I am extremely happy that you see that Jesus Christ is the only savior and that you have accepted him. God Bless you and your family.

  18. Hello-
    I wanted to say that after reading your posts, I feel the need to say that I am happy that Jesus is alive.He is looking at us all the time and God knows what is happening in the world. He is there when we need Him and will always be there-He has promised and He has reminded me of that when I needed it the most. Peace be with you all. For the people who do not believe, you need to open your heart and accept what is- God is alive. Thank you for your posts.

  19. The truth is within to find truth there is the door that bridges intellect with reality. A man came to a place where men where arguing about god he says to them I just came from a place where men where so caught up in the spirit they could not speak. If u can find this place where god is unknowable without name for to know a name is to have power over that name there u will find universal truth and love peace

  20. That you say you know a lot about Hinduism really surprises me. For you dont. I’d embark on a slew of reasons why but I see that someone else is crazy enough to already have done so.

    However I must point out a couple of lies that don’t sit well with me:

    The Goddess of Untimely Death is not Kali, but known as Mara ~whom no one worships. One definition of Kali is that she is the feminine personification of Time itself (called Kal in masculine terms) and the horrific imagery is with the concept that Time will destroy everything, and to remind you that only that which is “beyond time” will save you. Tell me, scholar what say you is beyond time? He is mentionned everywhere on your factoid blog.

    The third eye is not the “evil eye” and is never referred to as that. It is a metaphor or the third eye chakra that exists between everyone’s two brows. In some iconography of the divine they are shown with the third eye open. It symbolizes the power of God with the single, spiritual eye that fills one body fu of light.

    You have taken some “facts” and slushed them together to create a twisted view of other religions and cultures, in order to push bigoted claims. That “national enquirer” type article that you quoted about that family that died after going to that particular church: do you know how many people and families have tragedies befall them when they’re going to their place of worhip? Are you going to turn around and say that it was okay, they had it coming because they didnt believe in this or that? What if something bad happened to someone in your church? How would you feel if someone mocked your beliefs in the same way? No you may have solace in your teachings and beliefs, and that’s good, but its the other fellow who may hear and get turned away.

    You paint a picture of fear and hatred that is not much different than what a certain group of people do to train terrorists: they just take it to the next step by saying “it’s okay to kill them, they aren’t believers anyways”. Or maybe they can say “Well I read on ivarfjeld’s blog that they worship the goddess of destruction anyways, so lets send them to their maker…”

    There was another group of people who would take the beliefs of others and point how inferior they were in some way or another. Eventually they got a lot of people on board and they went on a rampage of hate that reached to the point of genocide. Do you know whom I am talking about? I am sure you do.

    No need to pontificate to me about how you are right and I’m wrong. I read Scripture too, only I don’t limit myself to one set of books. You see, anyone can quote anything and everything from their own Holy Book to bash a point into someone else’s head. If you look deep enough into your own scripture to find the core teachings and then seek those teachings in another’s scriptures you will be surprised to find that the core is the same.

    Please please please revisit your own teachings and stop spreading lies, fear and hate in the name of God.

  21. Alexis! In the first place r u a christian or a hindu.if you r or was a Christian and speaking like this you should be a shamed of yourself.it seem you too belong to a group of pagan..who are mentally sick worship something sick and patatic… Sorry to say that…it is high time u should repent…for God of the Bible is not mocked no matter what you think…you r bringing the wrath of God on too urself..because your wisdom that u learnt is foolishness to God…please don’t fool yourself. And don’t get puffed up and don’t think u know too much….

  22. Strange I never doubt that mother mary could hv some resemblance to kali. Glad I m a true christian at heart I do believe in Jesus n proud to b a baptis.Everything The Bible said is proving true. Nothing changes my belief though I m a sinner Jesus is the only true living God.

  23. i was carefully reading and understanding and discussion between my brothers and sisters..but i have some queries..1) is it right say that god has created his own people based on religion..before that why they did not fight with each other to increase their religion popularity and to find who is true and who is wrong…and if god would have competition with each other this world would had finished long back.so i think people who fight to show their supremacy of religion are over the other religion is first of all sin…remember people other than your religion are also human being and no god in this world have told not to criticize or underestimate other human being that itself is sin for disrespecting other people…i personally feel good s one but their are many messengers but their practices are different b’cos of their geographical and cultural reasons. and over the period it so happed that some additional thought mixed with this practices and became tradition…i would also like focus on with neutrality saying that what is last name of Jesus as human being…who name him Christ ..whether he himself or due to any of his own preaching…b’cos i found from reading that Original name of Krishna was Chriss.and than added NANA so it became “Chrisnaa” and i also learned from sources that he came to Indian territory and nobody know later…

  24. Namaste to one and all..
    If a so called sandhya, who being a Hindu embraces Christianity is welcomed with open arms here,then why Mr.alexis,a Christian possibly, by virtue of his name, is being called sick and tat he should be ashamed of himself, for attempting just neutrality.. I think that itself speaks volumes about your tolerance towards other religions..and why are you ppl just copying Hindu traditions… what’s with all these Catholics allowed to apply our holy kumkum on their foreheads.. why light lamps with Mary in it, in the place our goddess mahalakshmi… I’m sure this s not the tradition in Jerusalem or wherever Jesus originated and lived.. you ppl use candles Oly right… then what’s with this lamp..?? What’s with building a church at the site of worship of goddess Kali, at velankanni.. Google it.. says clearly tat the Portuguese captured it and built a church at the site of the temple.. and what’s with the innumerable practices copied directly from hindu traditions.. don’t u ‘ve any customs of your own?? No originality? NO… bcos ur aim is not jus to spread the teachings of Jesus, but to convert every possible human on earth into Christianity, for all the monetary benefits your church gets from it… before you reply to this msg, kindly ensure tat the so called Christia ns in India, do not even attempt to follow our Hindu traditions with mild modifications.. regards and thanks in advance..

  25. Jesus Christ is the true God.God lifted his name above all names.I was a Catholic who was changed to a true Christian by reading the words of God.People may say whatever they want,but let us believe in Jesus our saviour in the end times

  26. I have read through all the comments here and would like to ask all who have contributed to come up for air, breathe in, and exhale slowly.

    The Lord Jesus Christ said this ‘no man can come to me unless the Father who sent me, draws him’.

    There is a very big little world in the English language that word is ‘if’.

    ‘If’ God has drawn us into a relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ, then we must not worship idols.

    I have asked this question a number of times and only once has someone come close to answering it the same was the Lord Jesus Christ did.

    Why did Jesus speak in parables?

    One person who described themselves as a true follower of Christ said it was a question we should not dare to ask.

    Which was an interesting comment because of the following.

    Matt 13 verse 10
    10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

    The disciples received their answer.

    11 Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

    Some of the comments above that are anti Christian indicate that the contributor has encountered Catholicism calling itself Christianity, which has throughout history been responsible for many diabolical atrocities done in the name of a christ.

    Some of the comments above by those who testify that if they have accepted Christ as their saviour they cannot then deny Him and turn to other gods or idols as to do so would surely cut them off from their saviour.

    For those who can’t get it.

    There is the account of the story of Saul on the road to Damascus.

    Saul a Pharisee of the Pharisees.

    This man was exceedingly well educated in Pharseic Judaism. Convinced that the Jewish Apostles were heretics he made it his duty to go after them and put them to death.

    This man was blinded and heard Christ speak to him, then he was taken to the house of an Apostle and received the truth and was converted.

    From then on he understood, became known as Paul the Apostle to the gentiles, before his ‘road to Damascus’ experience he was blind to who Jesus Christ and what His death and resurrection meant.

    There is another story about an Ethiopean in a chariot reading Isaiah, he did not understand what he was reading and a man called Philip was inspired to go to him. The Ethiopean obviously wanted to know about what he was reading and Philip was able to explain it to him and he understood and was baptised.

    The Ethiopean was being ‘drawn’ not frightened into conversion through fear of hell fire and brimstone.

    The Ethiopean was taught all about Christ through the Old Testament prophets writings the book of Isaiah and is recorded in the New Testament book of the Acts of the Apostles.

    Two people above converted to Christianity, neither were preached hell fire and brimstone, one was stopped in his tracks, the other drawn to read scriptures, both had help to understand the situation they were in.

    Go back to the Old Testament, because that is where we learn some very very important lessons.

    Abraham was called out from Ur of the Chaldeans, a place in Babylon, where idol worship existed.

    God did not send Abraham back to convert them, He called Abraham ‘out’ to go the other way, to become ‘Hebrew’ which means to go the other way.

    The rest of the world at the time practiced Idolatry and knew no better, only Abraham was called out.

    Abraham passed the blessings down to Isaac who passed them to Jacob to Israel one of his sons Judah was the forefather King David and of Mary who was the mother of Christ. The other eleven tribes were also known as the children of Israel.

    Now, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said this

    Matthew 15
    24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    Given that Jesus Himself tells us who He was sent to, why criticise those He was not sent to?

    Why try to scare them into something they clearly are not being drawn to?

    The lost sheep of the house of Israel can be identified, what they have done since they were scattered among the nations can be learned as can be learned about the tribe of Judah.

    Thankfully the tribe of Judah on the whole has held fast to it’s scriptures and so, they can be traced throughout history. Just as the Bible says, they have had a tough time of it wherever they’ve been and still to this day it goes on.

    But Jesus said He was sent ‘only’ to the lost sheep of the house of Israel’ note, NOT the lost sheep of the house of JUDAH.

    It is important to not allow the above statement to be considered ‘antisemitic’ it is not, this is what Jesus said, so, instead of trying to demonise those who have yet to be drawn, it is important to learn what these ‘lost sheep of the house of Israel’ were told to do, and what they have done.

  27. Dear Soumitra

    There is a lot of hate in your messages, God Created us all equal, so no need to look down onto some one who has been converted by consious by what Our God has done for us.
    I believe you are very sincere in what you believe.

    if we do look at the Christian world around us, it does seem daunting, but there is a major problem in stereo typing a whole nation, as some times the nation doesn’t prescribe to stereo type,…

    most actors and famous people and political leaders use a christian (catholic or protestant) label but they are not what is in the jar they label themselves, Some times People that label themselves Christian are not really Christian, its an unfortunate set of circumstances, because the usage of that label needs to have a walk of life that prescribes to that label, but we will all be judged to our level of understanding.

    Most countries are aetheistic as it stands, hence all the evil that has prevailed, as man is determined to show it is on him that the world is moved forward, not on God….If you are aethiest, you don’t believe in consequences, but only prescribe to a set of moral rules you put out for your self… as it does not matter what happens in the end.

    I must comment on your knowledge in the bible, I find it spectacular that you have spent some time in the bible.
    But regarding the different versions, yes there are different versions, so far the king james is the most correct, and in some circumstances the NIV is the more correct in translation, but in the Niv’s case this is very seldom.

    If you had to use a standard for every Christian, Old king James would be the best, the others were changed or used from a set of copies of copies, that interposed a certain belief principle of the time, as an example of a modern version, Jehovah witness deny Christs divinity, and there are many deleted texts out of the bible.
    Catholic bible is among the most changed, as well as added apocryphal..

    i would say that the changes were institutional changes and were made to fit the mould that it was being used for, so for accuracy, and for the most correct in context, King James is definitely a good start…

    My God is a God of love, If you are evil, and you have made a choice to be evil, you are given to care of Satan, whether it would suite you are not, and once in the care of Satan, there is no protection offered from God,
    There is no protection from His judgement either…
    My God is a mercy full and caring God, But he is the God of judgement, and is fair in all His Judgement.
    Sodom Gomora, was a extremely immoral place, close to what the world is now…

    As it is foretold in Daniel and revelations, Mathew Mark Luke and John, The world at the end will be ruthless in its ability to sin, and to prevail in sin, it will get worse and worse, wait until the rising of laws that will put innocent people to death, for standing in what they believe, as it did in mid evil stages of this world, like the Waldensian, and the martyrs of the reformation, and like mr Xavier went to wipe out all the bible keeping Indian folks in India,
    you think Germany is bad,

    nobody has murdered more Christian people then that of the main christian church of that time,
    in the name of Christianity, just because they believed in the bible, and only the bible, they were burnt, raped, kids thrown in the air and caught with spear heads, because they would not conform, and believed it was the bible, and the bible only..not tradition, not what you were forced to believe, not because some one wrote it should be like that, but that the bible was the only standard to live by. this started the whole Protestantism and catholic divide,

    Now this is where it get hairy.

    Protestantism is divided, and here is where,
    there are traditionalists, and fundamentalists,

    Traditionalist are conformed to modern tradition on church beliefs, and prescribe to the set of beliefs of that church at that time, although, in the beginning of Protestantism all churches were fundamental.
    they don’t believe the bible in all ways to be relevant of our time.
    as an example, a lot of churches don’t believe that when you die, you are in a dead sleep, they believe that you just wake up on the other side, some believe, there Antichrist is in the past, or still to come,

    now one or two churches that are still fundamental Christians,
    They prescribe to the whole bible as still relevant in our time, Law and Grace play equal parts as a fundamental
    With out Law, you don’t need Grace, Grace is needed for the transgression of the Law, but it can not be works based faith. then it isn’t fundamentalism,
    Most fundamentalists believe in a Seventh Day Sabbath. as per bible quota..
    Traditionalists are called traditionalists due to the Sunday they keep which isn’t really called the Sabbath in these terms, its deemed as the Lords day…
    How the separation came about was in the 3rd century, when a new form of Christianity was formed by emperor Constantine, who had to do two things,
    1. He started Catholicism, and continued to use the old pagen temples, and some of its rights in Christianity,
    2. to Get the pagans to move to Christianity he changed the Sabbath from Saturday, to Sunday.
    Pagens of that time, were more comfortable with the move, as it was already there day of worship, when they worshiped the son…

    Later to separate themselves from the Fundamental Christians, and Jews, a law was introduced, a death decree,
    it was first introduced, to those who would worship on Saturday, then much later in history, when sunday became excepted among the majority, law was introduced to that any one reading bible, or teaching directly out of the bible, were considered heretics, and were burnt at the stake…

    Fundamentalists also believe in a Antichrist. They just believe that it is a set system, that was ruling at that time, and still rules from the scenes now.(yet many other different traditionalist churches believed the same, until recently)

    As you can see there are already three divisions, in Christianity alone, but only one thing matters, Jesus Christ.

    But no God fearing Christian puts idols on his wall, or around his neck in the shape of crosses, its not done…
    they believe in the whole ten commandments,,, some, delete only one commandment. but keep nine.

    So with the diversity of my explanation of Christianity, I am curious, Have you read read the destructive parts in the bible, have you under stood our Gods judgement?

    I respect all people, of different faiths and of different values, it does not mean ill convert my self to fallow who they fallow, it means, that i can sit down with them and have lunch, talk earnestly, talk about religion, arts politics. and argue over any problem or inconsistency, but when we finish, there is no animosity, no hate, no looking down on your friend, no pedestal for your self either, you would be two fellows, that could be friends, I cant take my Gods job away from Him and pre judge people, Because I will be judged under the same set of circumstances.

    Money, Goods or power do not matter to the real Christian, we have no use for earthly goods,
    and quiet frankly, i don’t care if any nation becomes a super power, it has nothing to do with me or my fellow Christian brothers and sisters.
    we are not here for riches, we are here, to fallow the character of Christ. Do good , be kind, and stand for truth no matter what,.

    so any government, or power that wants to be a super power, I do not care, as long, as they leave my rights to excersize my faith in freedom, we will not have a problem, And as long as they leave me to exorcize the ten commandments, with out any contradiction from a governmental law then we all good, have the power, live it, spend the money, use all material things to your utmost, and when you see its empty, and there is nothing awesome about it, maybe you would reconsider a christian mind. and not stereo type us…
    There is a difference between wearing a label, and walking the life.

    Just one more thought,

    In the end, There can only be one God.

    I am pretty sure, that my God would accept any one that fully was sincere in their religion, and hearts were of a good construct, that he would happily open his arms to that person, and accept them into heaven, with no limitations. (And i am pretty sure, that he would want me to accept all people, regardless of their faith, into my house, into my friendship, and into my family)

    And That Is why I love my Awesome God

    He is love, He is Kind. He is Just!

    1. Dear nathan.

      Having read your contribution I would like to draw your attention to the last paragraph.

      I am pretty sure, that my God would accept any one that fully was sincere in their religion, and hearts were of a good construct, that he would happily open his arms to that person, and accept them into heaven, with no limitations. (And i am pretty sure, that he would want me to accept all people, regardless of their faith, into my house, into my friendship, and into my family)

      The God of the Bible, the one Jesus referred to as His Father in Heaven and we can call on as Our Father in Heaven. He says He will not change.

      The only way to Him is through His Son. No matter how sincere a person is in their religion He will not accept them until they accept His Son. That would mean they must change.

      If your God will accept anyone who is sincere in any Religion then your God is not the One Christ called My Father.

      1. Hi Alister. I completely agree.

        He does not change.
        But what if your were born in a country that has no knowledge of Christ.
        Or in a era. Or into a family.

        You have to accept Christ be fore. But if you have no knowledge of Him. Or were brought up in a society that despises Him? I believe you are judged according to your light. And only those who would refuse Christ would be burnt up.

        What im kindly “trying” to point out to otheres is that we must have a Christ like attitude…

        If the chance is given to those that have no knowledge of the Son. And then they would refuse it I agree. But you can not say God will throw all those into a hell that have no knowledge.

        At the same time. I cannot, and refuse to judge otheres on there actions, in terms of thier destination of hell or heaven.

        This is the job of Christ…He will judge thier hearts. And we will be judged by the same term we judge otheres.

        I believe fully in the trinity. Of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

        And if I am to be judged on that view. Im quiet happy to be,

        Now if I had to be judged by Christ with no grace, and with the knowledge or light I have now… yikes a scary thought!!.

        I am forever grateful that God so loved the world. He gave His only Son. And I am forever grateful that the lamb called Jesus Christ was willing to offer up His life for me, and my brothers and sisters of this earth….

        But we are not to look to fr down the road of this earth. I believe His second coming is very…. very near. And we are to awake. Mindful of otheres. And in A Christian service to otheres. As we do not win souls on the banter of personal knowledge of the bible. We win them with love and kindness.. Then with the great news of Jesus… and then the fore warning of babylon has fallen.. repent.

        I can not run up to my neighbors amd say repent repent of your evil.
        They would wonder which tree I fell off. And only re affirm themselves of the lives they lead and there is nothing wrong with it… we are to fallow Jesus in this. Be helpfull. Kind considerate..and loving. To be His special people. Reach out with love. They will ask. Why are these people so different. … they will give up everything to have the light we have been given by the word. As we should also do.

        Reaching otheres in indignation or in trying to instill fear into otheres will only bring emnity. Which is the work of the devil.

        This was what I was trying to say earlier. We focus on Christ. The holy spirit will guide us on how to approach otheres.

        And if it reaches a hindu. Or muslim. Or athiest. Then it reaches them. And if it does not. Well. Its upto Christ in the judement seat….

        I fully agree to your earlier comment. If we do not accept Christ. Then we do not accept His Grace.
        I would suppose the question would be. If you knew Christ would you accept Him. This can only be determined of those that do not have the knowledge of Jesus. By Jesus Himself. And the will of OUR Father in heaven.

        Thank you again for your responce.

        Kind regards

        Nathan

  28. ”symbol of Islam is clearly seen”
    Moon Sun and Stars -ancient /pagan symbols of variety pagan real existed cultures (In contrast to unauthentic christianity) which churches using many years.

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