2012 Movie director fears Islam and «saves» Mecca from destruction

«I wanted to destroy Mecca, I have to admit. But my co-writer Harald said – I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie’. And he was right».

Actor John Cusack Director Roland Emmerich and attend '2012' photocall at Hotel de Rome on September 28, 2009 in Berlin, Germany.

This is the words of movie director Roland Emmerich. He cites «fatwa fear» for not «destroying» Mecca.

In his latest offering the director again gets to indulge his passion for destroying famous landmarks, this time including religious ones, on a biblical scale. In the movie 2012, Emmerich destroys the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican, and see the toppling of the famous Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro.

In his previous flicks, Emmerich’s destroyed the Empire State Building and the White House (Independence Day), sent a giant monster into the middle of Manhattan (Godzilla), blew away the famous Hollywood sign and the Capitol Records building in Los Angeles (The Day After Tomorrow) and savaged New York – again – by flooding and then freezing it (also The Day After Tomorrow).

But if you’re expecting to see an Islamic icon take a hit: Dream on. The Kaaba, which is housing the black stone in Mecca, was the only one that got away.

True, Emmerich is  «against organised religion». He wanted to trash the Kaaba, the cube-shaped building with the black stone inside, at the heart of Mecca, but bottled out. The director said:

« Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit. But my co-writer Harald said ‘I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie’. And he was right.»

«We have to all … in the Western world … think about this. You can actually … let … Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa, and that sounds a little bit like what the state of this world is. So it’s just something which I kind of didn’t [think] was [an] important element, anyway, in the film, so I kind of left it out».

Source: Multiple media.

My comment:

Very few people know that the Muslims worship a black stone in Mecca as «Allah». The black stone is hidden inside The Kaaba.

That the free and liberated World fear Islam is not so strange. Islam is promoted by many priests who demand their faithful to kill in the name of religion, as explained in the Jihad verses in the Koran.

The tragedy is not that the Western based civilized society fear Islam.  The tragedy is that people who have been freed from the yoke of paganism in various forms give up their faith in Jesus.

We mock and ridicule Him, and bow down and defend wicked religions like Islam. Those who bows down to the black stone in Mecca will have to pay a heavy price when the Messiah returns.

123 thoughts on “2012 Movie director fears Islam and «saves» Mecca from destruction

  1. Note one thing muslim donot worship kaaba or any other monument but how can other relgion can understand if they truly believe in their teachnigs they woul certainly donot allow such things to happens even a little child know to protest when something dear has taken away from him

    1. Dear believer.

      Shalom, and love in the Messiah.

      You are right, Muslims does not worship visual idols. But the hidden black stone inside the Kaaba is a black stone, regardless of what they think and feel. The false gods named Baals were all stones, or they were made off wood. Some of them were visual, and some were hidden.

      1. I think you have a malformed ideas of what islam really is !!!!
        WE DON’T PRAY OR WORSHIP “ANY THING” BUT ALLAH- the creator of everything. and the unique name of GOD is ALLAH
        I don’t know from where do you get your info…kinda weird really!!! let this be your source again
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaf
        pleeeeez and dont meslead ppl
        let them read 4 themselves .
        **by the way the black stone was made different just to mark the start of doing “tawaf” not 4 worshiping not even “alkabah”…. Mr. plz take note that islam come to take out all idols and forbid worshiping of other beings e.g human,animal or thing”
        just remember ALLAH AND ALLAH ONLY!!
        have a nice day

      2. Dear Razialt.

        Shalom, and welcome to this site.

        Thanks for this link. It should be read by all. The story in wikipedia confirms the blank stone in Mecca, to be kissed by the faithful Muslims.

        It is important to know the origin of Islam. The first time the Arabs got a revelation about «god», was not between 570 A.D and 622 A.D , when a man called Muhammad walked on Earth. The Arabs were moon worshipers, and their god was the noor (moon). There are verses in the Koran about swearing by the moon. The moon is a central symbol of Islam. In every Mosque there is an image of the moon, and the moon is on top of every Islamic prayer tower.

  2. Hi,
    Why do people think 2012 will be the end of the world? I mean what if the Mayans ment that was the end of the way things worked now. Sort of age unlike that of the previous ones. That this new age starting at 2012 will not be a repeat cycle like before. Strange movie idea though.

    1. Dear R4i

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      The Bible speaks about a new Heaven and a new Earth. The old things shall pass away. When the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth returns, He will start the Messianic age. At the end of this age, the final judgment will come.

      Peter 3:13
      But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

      Revelation 21:1
      [ The New Jerusalem ] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

      The length of the Messianic age is unsure. 1000 years can also be one day, as explained by the Apostle Peter. But what I know is that the reign of the Messiah will be mind blowing.

  3. When things go bad, bad people will be doing what they always do…. bad things. If you are not at least basically prepared, you will be dead. Having a little extra food and ammunition is not a bad thing.

  4. salam ,
    i think director Roland Emmerich he’s collect all muslim races in one idea (fatwa ) i think it’s fiction movie and if the culture of hollywood is free thinking i wish see that kabba destroying in the movie cus it’s happen before in islam history and history not fiction and muslims khalije know that ..sorry for my english 🙂

    1. Dear Akreem.

      Shalom, and welcome with this comment. I am not sure I understood your point. You are forgive for your bad English. Neither is mine anything to boast about!

  5. Muslims do not worship the black stone as you claim, but they worship one God, and God is not fragmented in three parts, as well as Muslims believe the return of Jesus Christ, to fill the world with justice, but if you looked into the Kaaba we not adore itself, but its significance lies in prayer at one time In one direction and one Lord, God is not a metaphor as a cornerstone or a person, and I think that Ronald wanted to bring attention not only

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      Tell me, what is inside the Kaaba?

      Muslims do not believe in Jesus the Messiah, God the Son. Because in the Koran, «god» does not have a Son. Remember Jesus is God. A divine person, the Alpha and Omega. No beginning, no end. And the only gate to Heaven.

      Muslims believe in the prophet «Jesus», a copy cat that will have to be in submission to Muhammed. That «Jesus» is a fiction.

  6. I think a mistake by the director to delete those shots, make him afraid of death I do not think that he was filming footage that would make him at risk
    I think that this statement only for propaganda and publicity.

    1. Dear Akreem.

      You wrote:

      I say that Islamic history has witnessed the demolition of the Kaaba repeatedly, why Muslims feel offended by fictional movie.

      My comment:

      Very few Muslims are killers and suicide bombers. But since the Koran has Jihad-verses that blesses and promotes slaughter of innocent people who do believe that Muhammad is a false prophet, people who makes movies like 2012, run the risk of having their house blown up, and head chopped off.

  7. Those verses were not part of the religious verses, but verses are based on political reality, in Mecca, the city and these verses are exploited by political Islam and not Islam as the value of God.

    If we talk about prohibitions of Christ in the life of Muhammad was found where she was the mother of Mohammed and his wife Christian and the difference is that Muslims believe that Jesus as a prophet sent the rest of the prophets, and this is the debate.
    The cult of the Black Stone is not Jewish but usually remained in the region since ancient times.

  8. ok thankx ivarfjeld,Kabba is the only symbol At the same time, it is empty from the inside Nothing,, except that it is the first house established for the people, Allah has ordered the Prophet Ibrahim and his son set up rules And we can worship God without going to Mecca or to see the Kabba ,Muslims believe in Jesus Christ, by faith and the Koran tells us to beleive in all the prophets, and if we do not believe in one of the prophets, we are not believers ,We have in the Holy Koran that the prophet Jesus did miracles that amaze the children of Israel ,and they did not believe in him yet,,,Now, there is a difference between true Islam, and Islam, which is represented by bigots, because in Islam, freedome is available to everyone, and because God brought to the devil when he chose to disobey God, the Lord did not punish him ,when he responded and gave him until doomsday ,The Lord also addressed the Prophet Muhammad (you hate a people until they are believers?)So I do not invite you to believe in what I believe in, but I invite you to believe in love and not be prey to misleading media and that calls for hatred, read about others and their beliefs away from any influence, and not be lying if I told you I had the Bible and I know a lot about it and a lot of similarities With the Koran, God says, because all the books revealed the same origin

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      and not be lying if I told you I had the Bible and I know a lot about it and a lot of similarities With the Koran, God says, because all the books revealed the same origin.

      My comment:

      I thank God most high that He has provided your with a Bible. Please read it. You will find the truth about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Start with the book of Genesis, and see how God blesses Jacob, and renames him Israel. God promises his children the land of Caanaan (Israel) and promises to be their God forever. God can be trusted. The Messiah will rule over the house of Jacob forever,even those who do not believe in Him.

  9. There is no single text in the Koran bless those one who kills people for non-belief in prophecy of Muhammad, and the evidence for that is allowed for Muslims to marry people of the Book (Jews and Christians), not kill them, and the Prophet Mohammad had married Maria Coptic from Egypt, so that the Koran forbids Muslims from Discussion of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) but by the best way ,,,The text of the Koran refers to the faithful Muslims were happy when the Romans defeated the Persians in the time of the prophet, because the Romans were Christians believers, while the Persians were idolaters and worshiped the fire and They do not admit the existence of God ,,Hence we can say that the things that unite us are more than those dividing us

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      You wrote:

      the Prophet Mohammad had married Maria Coptic from Egypt, so that the Koran forbids Muslims from Discussion of the People of the Book.

      My comment:

      Those this not make Muhammad a hypocrite?

      He him self marrying a Christian lady who believe in the people of the book, but denying other Arabs to read the book, and even debate on the Bible, who was given man 2.000 years before Muhammad walked on Earth?

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Shalom.

      Why did you think I would not give you this opportunity?

      In the Jewish and Christian World, we believe in freedom of expression. We believe in debate about faith. You should not ask for forgiveness for telling us about your faith. As long as you do not harm, silence or persecute people who do not believe the same as you.

  10. You mention the part of my words, and ignored the rest,I did not say the koran forbids muslims from discussion of the people of the book and i stop ,But from the discussion which is not characterized by politely ,you should not take part and leave all

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Thanks for this comment.

      In countries like Saudia Arabia its a crime to even have a Bible. If you try to bring one over the border, or landing at an Airport, you will be arrested.

      1. i don’t agree, because if you prevented book from entering through the airport or the like, you can not prevent it through the internet, right?

      2. Dear Mohammed.

        Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran do even censor the Internet. There is neither freedom of religion, nor freedom of speech. Jews are not even permitted to fly over their air space. Forget about getting a tourist visa.

        If Islam is the path towards truth, you have to explain to me which nation is the model nation. I tell you, the state of Israel will by-pass them all on any parameter. And Israel is a 61 year young nation that so fare have fought nine wars for its survival.

        Islam has been around for more than 1300 years, and its nations are the worst human right abusers on Planet Earth.

        Israel is a light to all the nations in the Middle East, that lives in darkness because of Islam. That`s why Islam wants to get rid of the Jewish state.

      3. i don’t agree with you , because if you prevented book from entering through the airport or the like, you can not prevent it through the internet, right?

  11. The God say ((And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”)) this section from Surah Ankabot ( the Spider) 29:46 If you look carefully to (and say “we beleive inthat which has been revealed to us and revealed to you “you will conclude that Muhammad did not prevent the others from the ratification of the Bible and the Torah and the Psalms, and how he prevent them and the Lord commands us to believe these books

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      The Koran says that Jesus is a mortal prophet. That is a lie. Jesus is God, and you can only be saved by the blood of God`s one and only begotten Son. Without Him, you will perish in your sins. The burning flames of Hell will be your final destination.

  12. you wrote (i thank god most high that he has provided your with a Bible .you will find the truth about the God of abraham ..)and i found the truth from The holy Quran about how he blesses children of Israel ,look at this sectino ,The god said in the holy Quran ((O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.))and said((And [recall] when We saved your forefathers from the people of Pharaoh, who afflicted you with the worst torment, slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord)) Surah Bagharah(the Cow)2:49

  13. finally The god said in the holy Quran he will make those who follow Jesus Christ[in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve him (([Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ))Surah Surat ‘Āli `Imrān (Family of Imran)3:55

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      You wrote:

      finally The god said in the holy Quran he will make those who follow Jesus Christ[in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve him.

      My comment:

      Jesus and the Father is One. Father, Son and Holy Spirit is One God. If you do not believe you are a sinner, that needs to be saved by the blood of Jesus, you will perish.

  14. Would be very good if you snd your e-mail to me, because I have a lot a lot of serious debate and things that will surprise you and that will prove to you also i read a lot in the Bible ,,, and The many questions I want you to answer them my E-mail (altarawabi.82@gmail.com) ok

  15. If you’re defending the state of Israel here are only the following,, Read the latest report on the recent war, this report has been prepared by a committee of experts, none of them Palestinian, the report concluded that Israel violated human rights with a view, and you now say that Israel is superior, I do not know Only if excellence in human rights violations, and has a long record of violations across the history,,Today, only if you follow the Israeli Channel Two, which proved that the Israelis by the documents they looting is immoral for members of the Human Palestinians and foreigners ,Is this the Israeli superiority to the rest of the region?

    1. Dear Muhammed.

      I thank God most High, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for your heart to read the Bible. But do not read the Bible, as the devil reads it. He only looks for someone to accuse.

      It is correct that the Jewish leaders were afraid of Jesus. They taught He claimed to be the promised Earthly Jewish King, the «Messiah» that had come to rob them for their authority. They had misunderstood the Law of Moses and the prophetic Word. Thats why they plotted to kill Jesus.

      But as you read the New Testament, you will see that many Jews understood His message of love. They became Messianic Jews, believing He could take away their stains of sin, and set them free from the curse of sins. Such Jews followed Him in their thousands.

      For the first 300 years after the resurrection of the Messiah, the Church was Messianic Synagogues, filled up with saved Jews. First after 320 A.D, paganism from Rome came into the Church, and the Worldly papal system was established.

      1. you said many jews understood his message of love…It’s like you want to say that understanding means the process and the fact the contrary is that the Jews of today are not different from Jews before, and in practice they do not follow Christ or obey his Law ,,Will be futile attempts to approach them if they do not recognize the foundation of the non-Jewish religion, I was amazed that the Pope had declared innocent of the blood of Christ!!

      2. Dear Mohammed.

        Shalom, and thanks for your comment`s

        There have always been Jews believing that Jesus is God the Son, the promised Messiah. All the first people who believed in Him were Jews, all the Apostles were Jews, all the Gospel writers, less Luke might have been the only gentile.

        Today there are several hundred thousand Jews in the US who believe Jesus is the Messiah. There is even a lot of them calling their ministry «Jews for Jesus». Inside the state of Israel, there is more than 20.000 Messianic Jews, and the number is rapidly growing.

        And you might be amazed that 43 per cent of the Jews in Israel said in an opinion poll in 2009, that they believe that there is a Messiah, and that He is coming. They are right, even though they do not know Him by name.

        In the Muslim World there is also millions that believe in Jesus as God the Son, redeemed by His blood. But they are mocked, persecuted and many of them have died as martyrs. A recent report claimed that 80 per cent of the 165.000 followers of Jesus that have died in 2009, lived in nations controlled by the religion of Islam.

        This is the truth.

  16. It seems that some facts have been absent from you, namely, that the rabbis themselves are divided whether the legitimacy of the State of Israel or not? For example, some rabbis in Britain acknowledged the illegality of the Israeli state in accordance with the Torah!! And tearing down Israeli passports ,,And the state of Israel was the result of a political decision and not a historical right,, and when God ordered them to go to the land of Canaan was the land of the Canaanites, who are now the Palestinians and if you read the History you will find that the true children of Israel had tried to circumvent the orders of the Lord while argued that the people in the land of Canaan are fathoms large,, As you have mentioned in the Bible that the priests of the Jews are plotting to kill Jesus and inciting people against him until they were rallying cries to the Governor are to be the crucifixion of Christ, this is the history of the Jews, if you able to sequestration it from the Gospel, then do so

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Thanks for being so active:

      You wrote:

      As you have mentioned in the Bible that the priests of the Jews are plotting to kill Jesus and inciting people against him until they were rallying cries to the Governor are to be the crucifixion of Christ, this is the history of the Jews, if you able to sequestration it from the Gospel, then do so.

      My comment:

      Jesus had to be crucified for your sins. You are a sinner and you deserve to die, and go to Hell. You should have been up on that cross, slaughtered for your sins.

      But God the Son loved you, so much that He took your place. So in Him, you can escape the wrath of God and live in the Kingdom of Heaven.

      To blames the Jews for the killing of Christ, is at best to elevate our selves. Jesus died for their sins too. Also the Jewish people are sinners that needs to be saved.

      But the good news, is that Jesus rose again. The grave could not hold Him, the author of life. There was no dead body in the grave. And without a dead body, there is no murder.

      John 10: 17-18.

      The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

  17. Now here’s the next, there you have large errors in the philosophy of perception of the Lord, how the three becomes one and how to become one of the three? Now there is a big division among Christians, the first group believes in the divinity of Christ and says he is God The second group, says he is the son, one of the three,,and have not been reconciled so far between the two views, and therefore, there is a great imbalance in the perception of what the Lord ,,The other thing is to admit that the Lord chose his son to be sacrificed for the sins of human beings since the time of Father Adam, and I say that if that were the case must be the task as an honor for Christ, but Read the Bible (copy Copts) are the last scene of Christ my God, my God, he cries Why have you forsaken me!! I am wondering here first to say what God if he is God himself? Is he not satisfied with the task that was appointed by? Surprisingly Why scream, while the two who died were their own genetic silently next to him without screaming??Is it possible to accept the idea of screaming for the Son of God? Why was the excision of this scene from the rest of the Anglican copies? Which only settled him (Jesus) cried and then died?

  18. The third one is when I discussed my Christian friends they told me (that the latter solution of God for the sins of human beings is to send his son to sacrifice his own blood for them) Well here’s the question: even after the sacrifice of Christ with his blood Why is there hell? Not enough blood for all sins? Going to tell me the hell is only for those who did not believe such a solution, if so, this solution is not final and will remain like any other solutions and there is nothing sets it apart, because all the previous laws that either to beleive or go to hell, and lack of faith in this solution is the same a great sin, but by your thoughs the blood of Christ will not be enough to save it from hell, and it is precious blood shed on the cross and the sins remain as it is, this great fallacy

  19. That the best way to atone for sins is repentance directly to God without an intermediary or the belief in blood, and sin can not be avoided by people not because our father Adam did it, but the configuration of the first when God created us of two things spirit and body, and ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam when he breathed into him the spirit after the creation of the body, The second thing which did not mention by Christian What is the purpose of our existence we human beings? is only to atone for our sins??? but the aim is to serve God and in the course of worship are correct us when we make mistakes, but can not get caught up in the cross and forget why the Lord loves us, and to that sent us Jesus Christ? Why the Lord loves us?? Why do we need a mediator in order to be next to him while he is close to us?

    1. Dear Muhammed.

      You wrote:

      That the best way to atone for sins is repentance directly to God without an intermediary or the belief in blood, and sin can not be avoided by people not because our father Adam did it.

      My comment:

      The Bible tells me you are wrong.

      Genesis 22:7
      Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?” “Yes, my son?” Abraham replied. “The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”

      Many times, Abraham offered the blood of bulls of rams on the alter of God.

      He was in fact tested by God, to offer the blood of his son Isaac. This act of obedience was added to Abraham as righteousness. Like Father God, Abraham was willing to offer His Son. Thats why the Bible says that Abraham lived by faith.

      When God gave the Jewish people the Law through His servant Moses, God demanded blood offerings for forgiveness for sins. The Bible says that without the offering of blood, there is no remission for sins.

      After Jesus offered His own blood for the remission of sins, there is no other offers of blood that can take a way the stains and guilt of sins. Without faith in Him, you will surely die in your sins.

      1. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: “O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allâh), so look what you think!” He said: “O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Inshâ’ Allâh (if Allâh will), you shall find me of As-Sâbirun (the patient).”
        Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allâh), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);
        And We called out to him: “O Abraham!
        You have fulfilled the dream!” Verily! thus do We reward the Muhsinûn (good-doers – see V.2:112).
        Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.
        And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. کبش – a ram);
        And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations
        Surah As-Saaffat (THOSE WHO SET THE RANKS,DRAWN UP IN RANKS 37:102-107 this is the story of Abraham in the holly Quran and The law requires the application of Ibrahim vision in practice
        God and relieving him of the slaughter of his son because God told us in the Koran (and I have honored me of Adam and carried them on land and sea), and honor requires non-slaughter

  20. Here the following facts and correct your information, you said that millions in the Muslim world beleive in Christ Son of God, not as well but one and a half Billion believed that christ is the Messenger and not the Son of God and will return in the last decade and are supported in their belief that the Holy Quran, which confirmed his return in the last decade, and, if Was only 43% of Jews believe in his return, 100% of Muslims believe in it,,As for what it says on the report that 80% out of the 16500 in Muslims country’s have been killed, it is not accurate, but in all the reports of recent Western intelligence guess the spread of Islam in Western countries, just to see the number of Muslims in your country only ten years ago and now , and amazing that more than half of this increase are the indigenous people of that country which had made the German priest burns himself able to count the church to stop this proliferation that took place (without the sword), as some claim,As for the harassment that you get and the last vote of no construction of minarets in Switzerland is proof that some Christian countries, does not believe in the multiplicity of religions and is afraid of the increasing role of mosques at the expense of the role of churches

    1. Dear Muhammed.

      Its not about Mosques, Churches or religion. Its about a personal relationship. Jesus is the living God. There is no God but Him. He and His Father is One God. Father, Son and Holy Spirit appears to us in different forms. Like water, steam and ice. It have different forms, but are the same substance.

      Muslims denies the salvation by the blood of Jesus. Like the Catholics they try to gain their salvation by their good works. Thats a trap that leads to death and destruction. God`s wrath will come up on you.

      Your sins crucified Jesus. Now repent, let Him cleanse you from the stain and guilt of sin. Than follow the risen Lord. His message is love. Turn to Him, and He will save you. Amen.

      1. Now that you made the same error which is not logical, and if you know physics well, the water molecules turn into situations that you mentioned by the changes and influences that surround it, and if you build the similarity between the three cases of water and cases that require to judge the existence of God in several Photos by effects,, and this is not logical or reasonable..And the absolute will and absolute power of the Lord does not need multiple images in order to achieve His will in human beings,and acting in the universe ..I believe that God made the water molecule in three forms to our service because we can not run steam engine with the snow and not keeping the balance in the global temperature, but the presence of ice at the poles, and it would be impossible to use one form of the molecule of water and dispense it for the rest because of our inability to understand the intent, But in the case of God and you are supposed to be what it might be one and multiple forms, this is not meaningful because God (and not one in two) can do anything,,And change of form requires the purpose of the change, and if to achieve something, then God is not limited by anything requires its presence in the different bodies

      2. Dear Mohammed.

        Do not make things so complicated. You are a sinner, and in your sins you are cursed. But, behold the Lamb of God, has died for your sins. Without Him, you are doomed. Its your choice.

      3. nothing complicated ,Yes all of us commit sins, but the variation on the method of acceptance of the Lord to repent of sins, but you just simply say (must be believe in blood) but did not give convincing proofs, then you sometimes say of the Lord Jesus Christ and other times, the Son, and this makes things more complicated, You did not read about the Koran to be able to debate the Muslims, and this is wrong

      4. Well these images, which you’ve selected carefully, but do not represent the actions of terrorists who carried it out, and could be sentenced to one and a half billion Muslims deeds that few of them, and if the provisions so,do you judge Christianity as calling for the spilling of blood?just from President George Bush said God told him to liberated Iraqis and launched a war that has killed a million Iraqis Have you forgotten that the abuses that occurred at Abu Ghraib prison and draw the cross on the Koran, and urinating on the Koran?do you judge the actions of the U.S. military as a Christian from the teachings of Christianity?Do you judge the actions of Serbia and the genocide carried out against Muslims as the teachings of Christianity? Or will judge the genocide that occurred between two tribes in Rwanda, most of their personnel to Christians? You are the teachings of Christianity? We Muslims do not answer call to the provisions of random as you do, you would arrange to portray misery in Iraq, Pakistan and say this is the Islamic religion

      5. Dear Mohammed.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        so,do you judge Christianity as calling for the spilling of blood?just from President George Bush said God told him to liberated Iraqis

        My comment:

        Its pointless talking to you. Because you refuse to pay attention. The Bible speaks about the end of bloodshed, with the death of Jesus on the cross. He resurrected. He is alive. Do you get it?

      6. Do the Islamic religion allow to portray the Prophet Issa in inappropriate places as the Christians did with Prophet Muhammad? Who does not respect the other?We have been prevented erosion of insulting those who worship the fire,,,Frankly, my brother abuses by people who belong to a Christian too many, take Hitler as an example and take what America has done in Japan as an example, do you find justification in the killing of other people just because they are Christians?

      7. Dear Muhammed.

        Whoever have abused, crippled and killed another human being is not a follower of the Gate of Heaven. He or her is a child of the devil. The Messiah is the Only gate. Jesus the Jewish Messiah.

        Muhammad is dead and gone. He did not pay for your sins. He was a mortal man.

      8. Mohammed died Yes, it did not take our sins, yes, but left us a clear path to atone for our sins, and God told us in the Koran does not carry one single sin, because God is absolute justice can not be held accountable one sin of one ,and can not let one sacrifice for the sin of one , But guides us through the prophets how to expiate the sins,,It’s not all sins and forgiveness, then you are focusing on the sins and forget the lofty goal of creating man and the sins are examinations of human beings, and we have in the Quran that Jesus himself said, I am a servant of God

      9. Dear Mohammed.

        Convincing proofs?

        Exodus 12:13
        The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.

        Zechariah 9:11
        As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

        Matthew 26:28
        This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

        Colossians 1:20
        and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

        Hebrews 9:12
        He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

        Hebrews 9:22
        In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

      10. if you want to convince one particular faith does not depend on the quote from your book only, the other part has the book too, but relied on the logic, I know what is written about the bloodshed in the Bible as well as i know how to expiate the sins in the Koran, what makes me think that and leave this ? Logic is the only person who guides you through ,,, the God said to Mohammed (Say to My servants who have transgressed against themselves Despair not of the mercy of God that God forgives all sins,He is the Forgiving, the Merciful )

  21. We believe in one God, not to say that God has a son, because God Himself has forbidden us from this, and told us that the Christians who claimed that Christ my son and the Jews claimed that Uzair my son and this is all not true, but to make it clear understanding in the case of Christ, that God created Father Adam, from( Non-father or a mother), and the creation of a mother Eve is from (Father) and created man from a (mother and father) and the creation of Christ is only from (mother), Thus completed four forms of human,,

  22. Now I have a lot of youtube clips showing that many of the pastors declared his Islam and the reason is the doctrine of the Trinity that were not logical at all for them (go to the site of the U.S. Catholic Professor Yusuf Estes) and listen to the cause of Islam, and listen to many priests, when declared their islam what they said you received a

  23. And created a paradise for people not to enter it through blood, but the mercy of God and their good works, which have been clarified by the prophets of human beings on the history, and the sins of human beings is to be tested for their faith in God ,,We believe that Christ’s mission was to clarify the supply to the right path of God and how to repent from sin, only to learn that God knows all yours outward and inward, so you can not hide his guilt from God and repentance to him require the recognition of guilt in yourself and faith that God alone and no other is forgiven your sin and insist on not committed again, this is the way that best explained by all the prophets of human beings, including Christ

  24. And you are not replied to Why does the last scene from the life of Christ on the cross, and delete the scene of some of the Gospels, is not it the issue of faith or about? To believe that Christ embraced the task and the suspect may be difficult for him? And that doubt is the antithesis of faith and can go with it? See how it affects doubt on the faith: when Christ walked on the water and asked by one of his students that he will walk like him, and when he seemed to walk on the water, he made a mistake (was afraid of the wind that drenched) , In other words, he doubt that up to Christ’s walk on water , overshadowed by doubt on the faith and his legs stuck in the water!!!

  25. Why do not seek to lay the foundations of peace together? Why do we forget the majority and focus on a group of extremists on both sides? Why focus on the actions of a few extremists in the Sept. 11 attacks, and focus on the actions of Bush and his gang in Iraq and Afaqanstan and forget the majority on both sides that believe in love as the only means of peaceful coexistence? Why Attempts to sow hatred forcibly???If the pictures are that refer you to others ,i’ll told you if you want to find Christians only search Google for Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, but I am convinced that evil on both sides has been made to the Day of Resurrection

  26. Heaven’s Gate are not limited to the specified Prophet , but what is the status of the nations before the Christ thousands of years since the time of Noah, Abraham, Lot, Idris and others, all will enter heaven by the law of their prophets , and people in the time of Jesus Christ will enter the Paradise with the law of jessus until the time of the profet Mohammed ,

    1. Dear Mohammed

      Shalom.

      Jesus has always been the gate. He has always been with the Jewish people. Jesus is the law. Jesus is the prophetic Word. When God the Son, Jesus, came in flesh, He became a human, born by a virgin. Jesus displayed who the Father is. He unites all people on Earth. Muhammad separates us, because his book, the Koran does not tell us the truth.

      1. Those who attended the time of the previous prophets and beleive in will enter Paradise, as well as those who attended the time of Christ, as well as those who attened conclusion of the message of the Prophet Mohammad ,Is the final message to all the former messages of the prophets, saith the Lord in the Qur’an, and that the Koran contains teachings of the real Torah and the Gospel before Distortion

  27. Muslims do not worship no stone, no idol. the kaaba is the house of god..not god him self.

    muslims worship god only…not even the prophet is worshipped.

    get your facts right…dont make up utter crap.

    MUSLIMS DO NOT WORSHIP THE KAABA!

    1. Dear John.

      Happy new year to you, and peace with God.

      Muslims have not found peace with God, because they reject Jesus as God the Son. Only by believing in and being cleansed by His divine blood, you can find peace with God the most High. Our Father in Heaven.

      That there is no peace in the heart of the Muslims, is obvious. The Muslim World is crippled by Middle Age style dictatorships and believers of the Jihad verses in the Koran even slaughter other Muslims by committing suicide.

      If you cant see this being a false religion, you are blind. Spiritual blind. Come home to Jesus, who is the only one who can save you from your sins.

  28. Jesus brought no law to the world…the western world painted him white. jesus is dead and gone, he did not pay for your sins, he was a mortal who was killed by man.

    if he is the so called son of god, why couldn’t he save him self?

    religion is pathetic…where i live christians blabble about the messiah! thats pure crap!

    1. Dear Janet.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You are both right and wrong.

      You wrote:

      Jesus brought no law to the world…

      My comment:

      Jesus has always existed, and was not created when He was born in Bethlehem in Israel. Jesus is the author of the Law of Moses, and He took form of a Jewish man to explain to the Jews were they had misunderstood the law.

      Jesus is the creator, not a mortal man. He was crucified for your sins, rose again from the grave, and is alive forever more. Amen.

  29. dear ivarfjeld
    good to read the debate,
    i would like to clarify a few things
    you said: the Koran has Jihad-verses that blesses and promotes slaughter of innocent people…..
    could you please show me where in the Koran did God Almighty gives the order to kill innocent people?
    your arguments should be based on facts from authentic sources that can be counter verified by the general public.

    you also said: he hidden black stone inside the Kaaba is a black stone …
    from which source did you got such a blasphemous information about Islam?

    I think you have misconception about Islam, n I’ll be pleased to clear these misconceptions.

    waiting for your reply.

    1. Dear Zuh

      Shalom, and welcome to his site.

      This is the Jihad verse in the Koran.

      [Sura 5:33]

      «The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».

      In regards to the black stone inside the Kaaba, I am interested in your opinion. If I am wrong, please forgive me.

  30. dear

    you replied:

    This is the Jihad verse in the Koran.

    [Sura 5:33]

    «The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».

    I will refute it from the verse that yourself quoted, I will not bring some other translation with different wordings or different comment. as said in below mentioned verse, the just retribution for those who fight God and his messenger is…
    Here the Koran is ordering to retalliate, you can call it to counterattack, a reprisal. It did not order to initiate a war or kill innocent as alleged before.
    It is speaking of what shall the Muslim do IF they HAVE BEEN attacked.

    moreover you will find in the next verse for the same surah, i.e. [5:34} Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
    The Koran immediately speaks for those who repent from this war. To spare those people and rememebr of God almighty forgiveness and mercy.

    we can not blame Islam just because people are using religion to spread violence and mixing up their own opinion of Jihad together with the Koran(which was quoted out of context)

    Otherwise anyone can label some other religion and their followers of warmongers based on a few verses in the old testament in Deuteronomy.

    Regarding the Kaaba, Islam is a monotheism religion, the Kaaba is the centre, where every muslim of the world directs himself for the 5 daily prayers.

    There is no such black rock inside that muslim venerates.
    Muslim believes that Mohamed (Peace e upon him) is the last Messenger and the seal of prophecy.
    Also believes that God Almighty sent 124000 prophets though we do not know all their names.
    Muslim believes that Jesus Christ (A.S) was born from a virgin.

    Muslim have strong belief that making the portrait of ANY of these 124000 prophets is a disrespect.

    Hope you get my point

    At your disposal for further question

    Regards

    Zuh

    1. Zuc.

      Shalom, and thanks for this comment:

      Well, the verse from the Koran I first asked you comment on, is not the only Jihad verse in the revelation of Muhammad:

      What about this verse:

      Sura 2: 190: 191.

      fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you…[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

    2. Dear Zuh.

      You asked me if I believe that we are under the Law of Moses, and should implement single verse in the Bible that you feel is promotion of violence. My reply is – no –

      Followers of Jesus the Messiah are not under the Law, but serve Him under the new covenant of grace. Jesus told us to bless our worst enemies. Not to chop their hands off, nor to slaughter them or crucify them.

      1. The problem of Christians is a lack of understanding of “who” is Jesus? is he is a god , or son of God? Or the Holy Spirit? ? I’m in the previous period in the Sudan , iwas discusing anumber of Christians in some of problems belief in the Gospel and the different Gospels, and I found the problem common to all Christians, “What is Jesus”
        The final scence of his life on the cross, because of the different stories in the Gospels about whether he is hoping screaming or just grieves or deploring “my god , my God, why have thou forsaken me” When I asked my who is Christian, “Is it permissible for God or the Son of God to cry”?Why he thought that the God left him ? he did not know the task that he selected for himself the salvation of man from his sins? How to accept that the Son of God cry?? The Answer surprised from my Christian friend Frustrating me, that Jesus, in this case is a human being!!
        So I think when you have Jesus in the point of weakness “screaming” is a human being, and when walking on water is God or Son of God? How to understand this contradiction? This contradiction could shake the faith?

      2. Dear Mohammed.

        Shalom, and thanks for a very good and reflective comment.

        Jesus is not only God. He was also completely human. If you had to carry all the sins of the World on your shoulders, you would also have cried out in desperation. No one else than Father, Son and Holy Spirit knows the pain Jesus the Messiah felt in that moment.

        Do you know, Mohammed, that He carried your sins too?

        In the book of Genesis, it is written: Come let us create man in our image. I guess this «us» bear witness to a Father God who did this together with His Son.

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  32. hellow my frien Ivarfjeld
    you said “there are averses in the koran about swearing by the moon”
    God alone is entitled to swear in all his creatures, but Muslims are barred from the swearing without God, as well as muslims are banned from the worship of the moon or the sun or anything except God,,
    Many states in the Koran we find a God swear by the moon and the sun and the forenoon, night, star, Mount Sinai, or a lot, and you will find elsewhere in the Qur’an, where God says ” do not worship the sun nor the moon, but prostrate to Allah who created them

    1. Dear Mohammed.

      Shalom, and welcome back with a fresh comment:

      Here are two verses from the Koran:

      Sura 74:32:

      “I swear by the moon, And the night when it departs, And the daybreak when it shines; Surely it (hell) is one of the gravest (misfortunes)”

      Sura 84:16:

      But nay! I swear by the sunset redness, And the night and that which it drives on, And the moon when it grows full, That you shall most certainly enter one state after another. But what is the matter with them that they do not believe, And when the Qur’an is recited to them they do not make obeisance?

      1. yes that is what i said “the God only who can swear with every thing that he created” but Mohammed and we ,banned,,Where is the problem??
        I hope to be read my first comment” March 15 ,3:27 PM”
        You need not only to open youtube and listen to the stories of priests entered Islam, all agree that the idea of the Trinity was not mentioned in all the Gospels, and Jesus did not say I am the Son of God, but said “When you pray say Our Father in heaven” means all the sons of God, nor According to the privatization here that Christ is the Son of God…
        Christ can not and will not atone for your sins ,he does not have such a decision ,, it’s up to you .. you need no one mediates between you and your Lord, because God is absolute justice, can not make Jesus bear your sin, “and if you thought that,, you have gained on God”

      2. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom, and welcome back with this comment.

        I am blessed to have Muslims like you as a friend on the net. I am also blessed by the knowledge that you read the Bible. You have found Jesus in the scriptures. Unlike in the Koran, Isa (Jesus) is more than a prophet. He is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. Please read this chapter, and tell us what you think about this verses.

        Read also Isaiah 9:6, and let me know.

  33. One thing I have noticed about Muslims is that they seem to be operating under a misconception. That misconception is this, that a person that says they are Christian is actually Christian. There are many people that claim to be Christian and they are not. One prime example would be the Catholic church. Many people, Muslims included, think the Catholic church is the original Christian church. That is far from the truth. The Catholic church is the first, big apostate Christian church.
    In the same way there are apostate Muslims or marginal Muslim believers, they claim to be Muslim, but act like unbelievers. The same applies to all religions.
    Jesus did not start a religion. Men start religions. Jesus showed us the way to reconciliation with God. We have all sinned. Our sins have separated us from God. God, in His divine wisdom and according to His will, made a way for us to be reconciled to Him and remain in that fellowship. He said we can’t satisfy His requirements, He made the way for us, through Jesus the Christ. Christian, follower of Christ, like Christ.

    One thing the Catholics and Muslims have in common is that they think their good works will somehow atone for their sins. What they are doing is trying to establish their own righteousness. The Bible says all our righteousness is like filthy rags.

    Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Many people make the mistake of trying to atone for their sins by being a good person or doing good things, and by doing so fall into a deadly trap.

    Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

    I would urge Mohammed to read Isaiah chapter 53 and see if he will believe the report. Who is the prophet speaking of?

    God sent His Son, Jesus said,

    Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ or you will die in your sins trying to establish your own righteousness.

    Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    Flee from Muhammad and Buddha and the popes , etc. and Christ shall give you peace and you will find rest for your soul.

    Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    It’s good Mohammed has a Bible. Ask God to show you the truth. No matter where you find yourself,

    Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

    1. Dear Dave,

      Shalom, and welcome back. Thanks for making this blog a powerful tool. Both Mohammed and I have a lot to learn from you.

      You are right. Its not the claimed to be Christians who set the standards of Christianity. Its Jesus. And He is the only one who did not sin. Jesus is the perfect Jewish rabbi, the Only One who can save us from the coming wrath of God.

      1. Greeings ivarfjeld,

        Thank you for your compliment but the Lord deserves all the praise and honor and glory. We can only be a witness for Him and speak His wisdom, which is found in His Word. Keep up the good work my friend. Soon we shall see Him.

        Shalom, my friend

      2. So you are now faced with the dilemma, “Who is Jesus,” says the Son of God sometimes, and sometimes in the Gospels the Son of man, and sometimes the Holy Spirit!!! How correct it? And how entrenched belief you have, if you think there is a God and the son of god??? I ask you what the need for the existence of God and the son of god?? Do you going to tell me just to atone for sins? And you forget that the previous nations of Jesus , have law make them entering Paradise without God to sacrifice his son ,,thing for us Muslims is that there is one God and not a son, this firm conviction and strong among Muslims, not shaken
        I listened to many pastors who have entered Islam, the reason for entry of Islam is the paradox in which they live with the idea of triangulation, and I assert with you if only you sat down with yourself and started to ask frankly, “What is the logic of triangulation”? You will not find a convincing answer, but if you insist on blind faith without allowing your mind to lay on the facts, you’ll convince yourself that God is fragmented into three!!But if you say that the Bible is true “here’s this”
        John 35:9
        35 Jesus heard that they took him out and found him and said to him: «Do you believe in God’s son?
        Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75 write
        “does not believe in the son of man” ?????????
        Jesuit Bishops and this is read:
        35 Jesus heard that they expelled him. he met him and said to him: ((Do you believe in the son of man?))
        why is different? “son of man <son of God???!!!
        Phelps, 37, said: «If you believe with all your heart may be». He replied: «I believe that Jesus Christ is the son God».
        The last words of faith that Jesus Christ is the Son of God deleted from the version of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and from the papyrus P. 45
        i've alot to say ,,Jesus (peace be upon him) who the holy Koran told me about , is a servant of God, the Prophet , just like any other prophets , with miracles can revive the dead, heal the sick, made of mud a shapes such as the bird, then breathe, then the became birds) I did not say God or the son of God

      3. Dear Muhammead

        Shalom, and thanks for making this blog a powerful forum of debate.

        You wrote:

        So you are now faced with the dilemma, “Who is Jesus,” says the Son of God sometimes, and sometimes in the Gospels the Son of man, and sometimes the Holy Spirit!!! How correct it?

        My comment:

        This should not be difficult to understand. God came down from Heaven and took form of a human. Can you stop Him? Can you tell God that He can not, or should not do that?

        What was the purpose?

        To explain to men what a man should do to please our Father in Heaven. Share, forgive, bless and walk-the-talk.

        To defeat Satan, and release the Human race from the curse of sin, God offered His only begotten Son. That is beautiful. That is the unlimited love we can find in Jesus the Messiah.

      4. Hello again Mohammed,

        You mentioned you have listened to many pastors that have entered Islam.
        There are also many Muslims that have been born again and know Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah. God is their Father and the Holy Spirit leads them and guides them. This is what the Bible says,

        1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        That is not hard to understand. Children can understand it. Now, a person can take exception with what the Bible says. They can ridicule, or find fault or just choose to not believe. They can trust to their own understanding or mental ability but the Bible says,

        Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

        The just shall live by his faith. The soul that is lifted up or proud, trusting in his own power, whether mental or spiritual can come up with many reasons not to live by faith.

        Instead of spending so much time trying to find reasons not to believe, you should just humble yourself and ask God to show you the truth. One thing I have noticed about unbelieving Jews and Muslims and Mormons and others is that they all have a problem with Jesus.

        Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
        Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
        Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    2. Hellow Dave ,thank for your comment:
      Do you know what is the difference between Christianity and Islam? Christianity focuses more on emotion and neglect the mental side, since the basic idea is to sin and expiation, but no one asks himself one day, why God created me? Is it only God created us in order to expiate for our sins?? But Islam, teach you in this world you created for the worship of one God, and evil must exist as it tries to bend the man to achieve the purpose of creation, so it was incumbent upon the Lord to show us how we expiate our sins until the job is done which we created for it…The important point is that Christianity, which we have mentioned in the Koran that was brought by Jesus, and the first thing he said in this world on the first day of his birth: “I am God ‘s slave,” We believe that all religions guide for one purpose, “the worship of God” and Jesus did not say I am the God or his son or anything sacred,
      If I was in the time of Jesus” peace be upon him”, I’ll follow him, because he came with a right message to the children of Israel when they strayed and became worship the calf and did not work as ordered them by God in the Torah,
      The proof is what Jesus peace be upon him, “What I have come to not repeal, but I have come to complete “

      1. Hello Mohammed,

        I was hoping you would come back and read what I wrote. Christians focus on their spiritual life. Their emotions, which all people have, are just part of being human. Neither do they neglect the mental part of their humanity. Christians know why God created people. The reason is clearly laid out in Genesis. We were created to worship God and have fellowship with Him.

        I have heard Muslims say that Jesus never said He was the Son of God. Where they get that from I can’t say but I have heard it and I was asked the question myself by Muslims. When Jesus healed a blind man that same man came to Jesus and they had the following conversation,

        Joh 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
        Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
        Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
        Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

        There are approximately 300 prophecies in the Old Testament of the Messiah. One is in Isaiah chapter 9,

        Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
        Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

        The devil knew who the Son of God was, and he tried to tempt Jesus,

        Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

        Jesus used the Word of God to rebuke the devil and showed us that we should follow His example and use the Word of God to rebuke the devil.

        When Nebuchadnezzar tried to kill Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego Jesus was with them to protect them,

        Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
        Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
        Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

        The unbelieving Jews had this charge against Jesus, and used it to deliver Him to the Romans.

        Joh 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

        Jesus is the great I AM, who existed before Abraham,

        Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

        Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ. This is what Christians know, and are sure of, becuase the Father has revealed it to us.

        Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
        Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
        Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
        Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
        Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

        God wants you to know it also, Mohammed. Humble yourself and confess to God that you are a sinner. Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of Living God and that He died on the Cross and shed His blood for your sins. Believe that God raised Jesus from the dead and that He is in heaven hearing your confession of sin and your prayer. Ask Him to come into your life and make you a new creature and believe that He will not turn you away.

        Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
        Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
        Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
        Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    3. I’ll give you a honest advice: “Just read about Islam truly away from media interference,” you will find that the Muslims more than any nations glorifying the Lord, imagine a billion and a half praying five times a day to the Lord, remembering God, day and night, believe in all prophets, “and that Jesus in the hearts of Muslims and his mother peace be upon her chaste and pure “, which is free from any charge by the Jews”
      And that God created the creations in four ways, “without father, mother, such as Adam, and from father without a mother, such as Eve, and from mother without a father like Jesus” peace be upon him, “and from father, mother like the rest of humanity
      Search for true Islam which is not represented by the terrorists and bloodthirsty killers, you will find the ordinary humans who do not have a lot in this world, but their hearts is filled with peace,,I invite you to visit the Sudan, because you will meet people who are simple, do not have a lot of Leisure , but when someone asked how are you ,he will say “Praise God” ,,This is a truly peace that we experience within our hearts

      1. Well, I have read enough about Islam and the Quran to know that it is not compatible with what a Christian believes. There were about 10 Muslims were I used to work and we talked about Islam and Christianity. It is certain that Allah has no son according to Islam. The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob has a Son according to the Bible. Muhammad taught that God had no son. According to the Bible Muhammad was an antichrist. While Muslims get mad sometimes when you say that, they also admit, that is what the Bible says.

        1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
        1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

        So, it is fairly obvious, even to children, that there is a problem here. Someone is not telling the truth. Jesus said He was the Son of God, the Messiah. The Bible says He is the Son of God, the Messiah. I guess it boils down to who you believe. Jesus or Muhammad. Jesus gave many proofs that He was telling the truth. The Father also was a witness to Him.

        Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
        Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
        Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
        Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
        Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
        Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
        Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
        Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
        Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
        Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
        Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
        Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
        Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
        Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
        Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

        When John the baptist was in prison and sent two men to Jesus,

        Luk 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
        Luk 7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.
        Luk 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
        Luk 7:23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

        How many blind people did Muhammad give sight to? How many sick did he heal, or how many dead did he raise up? I would say that God bare witness to Jesus. All you have from Muhammad are his words.

    4. So Muhammad (peace be upon him) will not forgive our sins, he does not have a such thing, he is like Jesus (peace be upon him) gave us the message which is delivered by all the previous prophets, and completed his mission, and died

      1. Muhammad can’t forgive anyones sins, that is true. Jesus can and does forgive sins.

        Luk 5:18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.
        Luk 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
        Luk 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
        Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
        Luk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
        Luk 5:23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
        Luk 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
        Luk 5:25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.

        His blood can wash away your sins also, Mohammed. Just believe and ask Him.

        1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
        1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
        1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
        1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
        1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    5. hellow again :
      you said ” jesus said he was the son of God” and i’ll reply (also he said to his followers “when you want to pray say”O our Father in the heaven”
      So, all are sons of God and not one special(accordind to the Bible)
      The second Thing that You think that the Gospels is not different and correct,, and i’ll said “wait a minute” for example :from coptic bible (Morgos)16:35 ,36 “jesus cried(my god ,my god ,Why have you forsaken me)” luk 23:46 ,47″my Father “I put my soul in your hands, and deposit “)john 28:29 ,30 he said (I’m thirsty)(everything completed)” Why Jesus objected to the Lord (morgos 16:35 ,36? he did not know the task that he came for? Is the task had become difficult for him?
      Why the Gospels did not remember the rest of the final scene of the life of Jesus as (Morgos Mentioned it) ?

      1. Dear Mohammed.

        Shalom, and welcome back.

        I am impressed by you. You have really studied the Bible, and are now so close to your surrender to the cross.

        Just before Jesus uttered these words to His Father, carrying my sins, your sins, and the sins of the whole World, Jesus explained that He would raise again after three days.

        Could Jesus have risen from the grave, if He was not the author of life? The co-creator with our Father in Heaven?

        We do not serve a dead Messiah. We serve a risen Lord, and we walk in the power of His resurrection. I am sure He will save you, so you can guide many of your Muslim friends towards faith in Him. Amen.

      2. Hello Mohammed,

        All are not the sons of God. When you are born into this world you are a son of Adam, or Ishmael, if you wish. When a person is born again spiritually they become a son of God.

        Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
        Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

        You don’t have to live by the scales anymore. God loves you and wants you to be His son in Spirit and truth.

        http://www.freecdtracts.com/testimony/caner.htm

      3. We can become sons of God but the difference between us and Jesus is that He was the Son of God, the Messiah, the Christ, Emmanuel, which is God with us. We are sons but not Messiah or the Christ or Immanuel.

      4. Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

        Immanuel means “God with us”.

    6. The author Dean Bergon in his book Religion Revegn Ravisd compared the current book manuscripts and original manuscripts, which are selected by the author:
      Alexandrian and denoted by the symbol A
      Vatican and denoted by the symbol B
      Alavramep and denoted by the symbol C
      Sinaiticus, and denoted by the symbol a Hebrew
      Bizet, and denoted by the symbol D
      Codex Identification Deflections Peculiar Readings
      (A) Alexandrinus 842 133
      © Ephraemi 1798 170
      (Vaticanus 2370 197
      (Aleph) Sinaiticus 3392 443
      (D) Bezae 4697 1829
      Sinaiticus version differs in 842 placement,and Alavramep different in 1798 position , and the Vatican differ in 2370 position, and Sinaiticus differ in 3392 position , either version of Bizet vary in 4697 position !!!
      WHICH IS RIGHT??!!!

      1. Hello Mohammed,

        Well, if you read about Dean Burgon then you should know what he says. He supports Bibles based on the Textus Receptus and OT Hebrew. If you don’t understand, then maybe you should go back and read again.

    7. Hellow again
      you said (Many of unblievers jews ,muslims )have aproblem with jesus ,,
      i’ll say for jews sure ,but for Muslims absolute not,,because it’s clear for us who is jesus ,

      you said ( instead of spending so mush time,,)
      i’ll say am not …I do not need to search for evidence, I have evidence that Islam is true and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the last of the prophets, He explained to us the way to God and freed us from weightlifting, which says that man responsible of the first sin, and we have evidence of his sincerity and believe that Jesus ( peace be upon him) sent by God to the people of the children of Israel, and that Islam is the religion of all prophets, and the word Islam does not necessarily mean the Muslims, but it means to hand over all your thingd to Creator God,the One God
      We have the fixed Doctrine,, that God gave a semi-Issa (peace be upon him) on one of his disciples, and Jesus was not crucified, because it was not his mission to be crucified, and the evidence that the previous nations to the time of Jesus, they will enter Paradise without the blood of Jesus (peace be upon him),
      The desperate attempt to prove that the Gospel has not been tampered with, it can be simple for any reader will observe that the following:
      Was only to spite Jesus (peace be upon him) speaks to a crowd of people, said to them, “Who said to his brother, “foolish” necessitated the punishment” while finding elsewhere that Jesus (peace be upon him) said to one of his disciples (Peter), when he describes the behavior (when Peter were intercepted on how jesus will be crossed ) Jesus said to him: “Get away from me, you devil”! At another point Jesus describes the Pharisees, they were sons of snakes!!!And sin is not only deeds, but can also be said, too,

      These are all sins , jesus (peace be upon him) actually did not say it ,,at the same time you say that jesus is a perfect

      1. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom.

        Thanks also for his comment.

        You wrote:

        and Jesus was not crucified, because it was not his mission to be crucified, and the evidence that the previous nations to the time of Jesus, they will enter Paradise without the blood of Jesus (peace be upon him),

        My comment:

        Many followers of Jesus have problems to understand the differenced between Islam and Christianity. You just helped me.

        Because of this kind of statements, you will have problems the day you face Jesus. Denying the blood of Jesus as the only remedy for sins, you will die in your sins. You have no remedy, no justification to offer for you wickedness, lies and selfish deeds. Jesus will judge you, and send you into the eternal fire of Hell. Please repent, and live.

      2. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom, and just another viewpoint.

        You wrote:

        i’ll say for jews sure ,but for Muslims absolute not,,because it’s clear for us who is jesus ,

        My comment:

        The Muslims outright rejects that God has a Son. Jesus is just a prophet, not crucified, and his blood has no value as a remedy for mankind.

        Religious Jews and many semi-secular Jews do recognize that God will send His Son (The Messiah), to save Israel. But they disagree on who this Messiah is. In the first 300 years after Jesus the Messiah walked on earth, His Church were filled up with Jews who believed He is the Messiah. Thats He was crucified, and that His blood redeems mankind from their sins and coming wrath of God.

        Today, there are more than 300.000 Jews in the US that believes that Jesus is the Messiah. There are more than 20.000 Messianic Jews in Israel, and plenty of Jews who believe in Jesus, but do not come out in the open. Among the almost one million Russian Jews that has come home to Israel, there are many with Orthodox Christian roots.

      3. Heloow Ivarfjeld :
        You said ” today ,there are more than 300,000 in the US ,that beleives that jesus is the Messiah”
        i’ll say “Billion and a half billion Muslims, believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is the Messiah”
        look at This texst Surah (the family of imran) Aale Imran 3:45 “When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the ‘. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
        3:46″ And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he shall be) one of the good ones”
        3:47 “She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.
        3:48″ And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat(torah) and the Injeel(Bible)
        3:49 ” And (make him) an apostle to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers”

        Now you are now working to win over the Israelis, and you fully aware of what the Talmud says in Isa (peace be upon him), and how the Israelis mocked Jesus (peace be upon him) in the channel Ten , and they laughed and stated that when he walked over the water surface , and they said bad things in his Mother (peace be upon her),,
        Muslims Can not in any case, making fun of Jesus (peace be upon him),
        And you do not know much about the Koran, if you read even a small about the Koran, you will find that Muslims are the nearest to you from jews,

      4. Here are a few texts in the Koran that talk about Christians
        1/ What is the fate of those who followed Jesus (peace be upon him)?
        Surah (family of Imran) 3:55 “And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.

        2/look how the holly quran describe the follower of the Book(cristian and jews)
        3:199 “And most surely of the followers of the Book (jews and cristian)there are those who believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to you and (in) that which has been revealed to them, being lowly before Allah; they do not take a small price for the communications of Allah; these it is that have their reward with their Lord; surely Allah is quick in reckoning.

        and what the holly quran said about the christian??
        just look to : 5:82 ” 5.82″: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly”
        why christian the nearest friendship?i hope you read the reason,,
        “5.83”: And when they hear what has been revealed to the apostle you will see their eyes overflowing with tears on account of the truth that they recognize; they say: Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth
        5:84 And what (reason) have we that we should not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, while we earnestly desire that our Lord should cause us to enter with the good people
        5.85″: Therefore Allah rewarded them on account of what they said, with gardens in which rivers flow to abide in them; and this is the reward of those who do good (to others

        i want to say that the holy Quran didn’t tell us to hate the christian or so ,but i realised that you took some text from the holly quran and says ,that the quran calls for killing non muslims ,and that is not the fact ,,if you want tme to explain waht that text means ,i’ll do

      5. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom, and thanks for being active and making this site interesting for all readers.

        What you wrote about Muslim believing Jesus being the Messiah, is simply not the truth. The Messiah is God the Son. Islam do not teach that.

        This is on of the verses from the Koran than reduces Jesus to a prophet. That is fiction. «Jesus of Mecca» is a copycat. Isa is a dangerous copy of Jesus of Nazareth.

        Sura:

        2:136

        Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

      6. Hellow my firend :
        you wrote “what you wrote about the muslims beleiving jesus being the messiah,is simply not truth”
        it’s truth ,But the problem is , the messiah according to your understsand is the (son of god) ,,but in islam , islam teaches us that jesus is the messiah but prophet ,not a son of god or god or so ,,
        Yes this vesrs 2:136
        is true ,we’re ordered to belive in all the books of the previous prophets,,
        In order to make things easy for you, all the prophets came with one message but different books ,the Message is ( to worship one God)

      7. read this Text :
        surah 57.26″: And certainly We sent Nuh and Ibrahim and We gave to their offspring the (gift of) prophecy and the Book; so there are among them those who go aright, and most of them are transgressors

        57.27″: Then We made Our apostles to follow in their footsteps, and We sent Isa(jesus) son of Marium afterwards, and We gave him the Injeel(Bible), and We put in the hearts of those who followed him kindness and mercy; and (as for) monkery, they innovated it — We did not prescribe it to them — only to seek Allah’s pleasure, but they did not observe it with its due observance; so We gave to those of them who believed their reward, and most of them are transgressors”

        and we ordered to follow even jesus teaching :

        61.14″: O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as~ Isa(jesus) son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost”

      8. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved.

        My comment:

        First, and most important. This verse in the Koran confirms that there is «children of Israel». And if there is children of Israel, there must surely be forefather`s of the children of Israel. They were there before Muhammad, before the Koran.

        What did they believe in, before Muhammad?

        They believed in the Torah. (Hebrew Bible). This Bible speaks about a Son, a child that is going to be called God. Who is this Child?

        Isaiah 9:6
        For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

        Since the Koran denies that Allah has a Son equal to Him self, the Koran does not bring us the truth. Thats why neither Jews nor Christians wants to believe in Allah and his messenger.

        Jesus the Messiah, Our God the Son, is the savior of the World. All who believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Amen.

      9. Hellow Ivarfjeld
        you wrote :” the quran does not bring us the truth”

        My comment is:
        this is not true for two reason : 1/ the holly Quran told us ” God sent jesus because the jews Did not work in what was revealed in the Torah ,,
        2/in your Bible the first people who opposed jesus(peace be upon him),,the Jews , untill this moment the jews doesn’t belive in jesus (prophet or son of god)
        And it’s not true that the Torah spoke about (the son of god)even the Bible didn’t talk about Trinity , It was on the sidelines of the Gospel, and was added in order to become a sacred text

        This is the view of Moses in Deuteronomy 31
        Take the book of the Bible and put it beside the ark of the covenant Lord your God to be a witness against you. 27 I know because your Insurgency and a solid Neck. Behold, I am having neighborhood you have been brought on to resist the Lord, how much more after my death! 28 Gather all the elders of your tribes to the Arafakm uttered in the ears of the of the words and witness them to the sky and of the land. I Aref, 29 of you after my death and Tvsdon Atsigon for to the path of the one who commanded him and befall you evil in the last to-day because you do you evil before the Lord until the work of your hands Ngizawh

        This prophecy of Moses on the distortion of the book later

      10. The text of Paul, who says in 1 Corinthians 7:
        25 and either virgins I have no order from the deeds of the Lord, but I give an opinion as if the Lord’s mercy to be honest.
        26 I think that is good reason to narrow the present that it was good for man to be so.
        27 You linked with a woman Do not request a separation. You are separate from the woman who will not demand a woman

        All this talk is an invention of Paul’s , by his recognizing ,and not spiration

        This is a contradiction with the saying in Timothy”3:16 Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing???!!

        Most of the New Testament stories and talks, very clear that it is not revelation. Here for example, the brawl between Paul and Peter in Galatians 2: 11
        But when Peter came to Antioch, resisted the face because he was to blame.
        12 for it before he came from when the people of Jacob, was eating with United, but what came was a delay and secreted himself, afraid of those who are of the circumcision.
        Here Paul resisted him because he was to blame

        Another dispute, in the Acts of the Apostles 15 39 within Barnabas and Paul
        Picking a fight until the Dispersed between each other. And Barnabas took Mark and went into the sea to Cyprus
        Must be the wrong one, Paul managed to hide the name of Barnabas after that, but Peter has messages, is it correct and divine inspiration?? If so, how blame Peter then????

      11. Dear Mohammed.

        Shalom.

        I am amazed by your hunger to read the Word of God. You have seen the difference between Jesus and men. The Messiah was without sin. Man is a sinner, who commit mistakes. Like a sinner named Muhammad and claimed to be a prophet. Like my blog reading friend Muhammed. We are all in need of salvation, and have to be pardoned. There is only forgiveness for sins in the blood of Jesus of Nazareth, God the Son. Amen.

      12. Hellow My friend :
        I was busy because of extracting some information, from the Gospel and Greek version.

        I know my friend, your faith in Jesus is very deep, but, , “We believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) has a prophecy that there is a another prophet will come to people, this exists in the Koran, and also in the Bible (John 14:16…”I will pray to God, and will send you another Praclet”
        Parclet (in original text ,by greece language)

        Paraclet means in english: Holly spirit According to Bilbil (14:26)John …..But think About the word “Another” means that now there is one and “After a period of time another one !!Who ?
        What is his (parclet) mission ? again john (16:13-14) (When will the spirit of truth(Paraclet) come, he will make you lived up to the whole truth, because he would not speak his own accord, but will say what he hears, and make you knows about everything will come, and will glorify me)
        look at this : john (15:26) “He (Parclet) him self will be witness to me”

        if you think carefully “the holly spirit will not be Angel of course , and will not be anything except a son of man ,Jesus (peace be upon him) specifically, linked the arrival of the other mediator, by his going ,,,

        Again John(16:7-8) “My departure usefulness to you, because if I did not leave, the Holy Spirit will not come to you, on the contrary, if I leave,i shall send to you. his coming , will impress the world, with regard to sin, justice and governance ”
        How can we explain the total absence in the Gospels of Matthew and John and Mark to this commandment?
        The future of human beings,which Christ talking about to the students in the last farewell, giving guidance and orders, and to a final, guide, which must be followed to humanity, and Christ (peace be upon him) called the guide explicitly, by the Greeks name , Parakletos, which was approved by the Ecumenical Translation, New Testament
        In old Tastament Prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah 9:”When they give a book to whose who does not know writing, and said to him read this, he says: I do not know writ”
        This is what happened to Muhammad (peace be upon him), when Jibril visited him for the first time, he said to him: Read, Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not know how to read ,three time after that the friest verse in the holly qoran came to Mohammed(pbu) “Read in the name of your Lord who created”

        But the holly Quran said that jesus specially said to his student “another prophet will come after me ”

        if you allow me to say small notice, I want you to read about the Koran, read about topics that you interest , believe me, my friend you will find everything you’re looking for,You can find salvation, and you’ll discover that God’s pardon and forgiving, accept the repentance at any time, you will find happiness in your life, believe me, my friend, just read about it, and if you want any inquiry, I am at your service, just ask about anything,

      13. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom, and thanks for making this blog an interesting site of debate on faith.

        You wrote:

        if you think carefully “the holly spirit will not be Angel of course , and will not be anything except a son of man ,Jesus (peace be upon him) specifically, linked the arrival of the other mediator, by his going ,,,

        My comment:

        The Holy Spirit is exactly what is written in John 16: 7-8, A spirit. Neither an angle, nor a son of man, a prophet.

        If you want to avoid the eternal fire of Hell, you need to have the Holy Spirit of God reigning in your heart. To receive the Holy Spirit, you first have to surrender to Jesus, God the Son. Accept Him as your savior and Master. Amen.

      14. Recent studies from Christianity, show that there is a conflict was raging, between the group and Paul and (the Jews – Christians), this conflict was in the time of writing the Gospels, Cardinal Danilo publish an article in December 1967, the magazine studies, which is “a new vision origins of Christianity, Judaism – Christianity “that the summary of the article says,” a Jewish group formed and practice the religion of the temple, and preserve their teachings, and when a range of Gentiles who believed joined them , they relieved them of Purity and the application of Staff, Judaism, Paul was believed that these things become obsolete, The value, which the Jews – Christians,refused the view of poul ,,

        Therefore the Jews – Christian considered Paul as a traitor, as the Cardinal Danilo also said , a group of Jews – Christians, have written such as the “Gospel of the Hebrews” and the Gospel of Thomas “which was judged to be false” This ruling was issued from the Church Triumphant led by Paul,so that the Paul’s writings, refer to the conflict, because the Jewish – Christian prevailed in the first century of the Church,
        These facts, we understand the sitiuation that prevailed when the Gospels written ,,

        That the texts that we have now of the Gospels, written in 70, during the time which competition was fierce between the two groups, and the dominance of the Christian Jews, but the situation changed after the war, the seventy, the fall of Jerusalem, in the opinion of “the Professor”

        So Paul was considered a traitor to the teaching of Christ, as described by the family of Jesus and the apostles who remained in Jerusalem with Jack,
        Writings that present today, as Father Kaninjsr described “adversarial” and the group of Paul after defeating, formed the official corpus Bible calls it the “Canon” and ruled out each document violations of the “Canon

        Although the Jews – Christians have disappeared, but are described “Palmsthudyn” now, and can hunt in the third century and fourth, in Palestine, Jordan, Syria and Mesopotamia

      15. Dear Muhammed.

        Shalom, and thanks for keeping the debate going.

        You wrote:

        Cardinal Danilo publish an article in December 1967, the magazine studies, which is “a new vision origins of Christianity, Judaism – Christianity.

        My reply:

        I fully understand that its difficult for both Muslims and Jews to see the difference between the Christian faith in Jesus and the Catholic religion. To quote Cardinals of the Roman Catholic religion or any theology professor that wants to dispute or contradict the gospel, will not impress any evangelical Christian.

      16. I am sorry for some spelling errors, because my native language is Arabic ( اللغة العربية),I have a lot to say, I wished to be proficient in English language, even to enriched the debate better,,
        you know , it’s quite difficult to improve another langauge in your community ,

      17. Hello Mohammed,

        I know that Muslims believe that the Bible was tampered with. If the Bible is true, then the Quran could not be true. So, that claim must be made.
        I am also aware that you have a fixed doctrine. Christians also have a fixed doctrine.

        When you spoke of Peter, this is what happened. You can read it for yourself.

        Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
        Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
        Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

        As you can see, Jesus told his disciples, “…how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day”

        When Peter said, “Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.” Peter was saying that the Scripures would not be fulfilled. Jesus rebuked him for that because Jesus knew He was the Lamb of God that would be sacrificed for us. The same lamb that Abraham prophesied of,

        Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

        You will notice that later Abraham used the ram caught in a thicket for the burnt offering. The Lamb of God was to come later.

  34. Hellow my Friend:
    You wrote “you need to have the holly spirit of god reining in your heart”!!
    You explain that the next mediator , it will be Holy Spirit, “you feel inside your heart”!!! Quite the contrary .. It seems you did not focus on the Biblical text of John,,, John says, “will impress the world, with regard to sin,justice and governce” also says John “will glorify me” ” will be witness to me”

    So here we are talking about mediator will impress all over the world, not only feel a sense of it within your heart, as you claimed .. You are contradicting explicit text!

    Jesus (peace be upon him) is only a prophet, you do not gather that because you do not read the Bible well .. Jesus despite the corruption that has plagued the Gospel, gave the signal that he is a prophet when he said .. at the entrance to Jerusalem, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killer of the prophets”, a euphemism for he Will meet the same fate as the prophets before him, and also when he said “What I came to to not canceled, but I came to complete ” Think carefully, complete what “and not to cancelled what ?

    This signal distortion survived, despite all the attempts .. And you believe that there is no distortion, and this view is contrary to the words of Moses (peace be upon him) himself, when he predicted that the Jews will and changing the Torah, and pervert, and there are differences in the novel for one event, between the Gospels, and sometimes mention an important event in one Gospel , while the rest of the Gospels Neglects ..!!

    For example: Mattiw and John,didn’t talking about the Ascension of Christ, either Luke is defined by the Day of Resurrection, and after forty days in the “Acts of the Apostles!” Refers Father Kaaninjsr, a professor at the Catholic Institute in Paris, in his book “Faith resurrection and sent of the faith” (the impossibility of that Give any writer of the Book of the Gospels , to the same character witness)!

    1. Dear Ali Adams

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      I shortened your long comment. Please write short, and comment on the topic.

      I am amazed that you believe Jesus will return and show “us” that Islam is the true religion. That means that Jesus, who lived 600 years before Islam existed, only taught falsehood of following the good old Hebrew Bible.

      Your Jesus copy will be an anti-Jesus. A person who claim to be the Messiah, but is a fake. The Bible says he will be the last anti-Christ. He will come just before the true Messiah, and lead hundreds of millions of people off the cliff.

      Simply because they do not read and believe what is written in their Bible.

  35. Assalamu’alaikum;
    i believe that Allah “God” who is the creator of Jesus “peace be upon him” and Mohammed ” peace and blessings be upon him” and the creator of you and me of course, had stopped Roland Emmerich from showing the destruction of Kaaba; so every american will see the picture of Kaaba and read about it and know more about Islam, and they will know eventually that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.and now in 2012 Let’s see the results; as you can see 20,000 Americans are now Muslims and they are increasing day after day ” Al hamdolellah” do you know why? because they don’t believe that God “the creator of all mankind” would have a son from what he has created.
    and am gonna tell you something that even bible doesn’t say the God has a son and who said that is a christian who read the original copies of bible!!!!!! and who will return back is the true Jesus “The prophet” and he will show that Islam is the true religion but i think that you are talking about the “Anti-Christ” who symbolize the eye on your dollar,he will come but Jesus is going to kill him.so don’t be sad okay !!!

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