How can Jesus be both God and man?

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  1. Pretty easy really, He’s God. Nothing is impossible for God, humans can not even try to understand how awesome He is, they can never put Him in a box of their understanding, He is outside the box and outside of time and outside of our fleshly existence. It doesn’t matter how hard you try you will never grasp His wisdom or ability in your tiny finite human mind.

  2. If we can not understand YHWH, how can we make any statement at all about YHWH?
    YHWH is spirit, the scripture tells us, Joh 4:24.
    YHWH is not a man Num 23:9.
    YHWH can not die Psalm 90:2. 1 Tim 6:16.Deu 32.40.

    If we on the other hand applies the statements in this video to greek mythology there is a better fit. Men can become gods and gods can become men.

    • Der Sam.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      YHWH is not a man Num 23:19.

      My reply:

      Numbers 23:19
      God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfil?

      (end of scriptures).

      You must not take this verse out of context, but quote it fully. God can NOT lie, a very normal situation for every man. All human beings change their mind, and do not keep their word and promises.

      Since God is almighty, no one can stop Him from appearing as a man. Can you stop Him?

  3. Dear Ivar
    You are writing your own book, in my view. The scripture clearly states hat YHWH is not human. Can we agree?
    YHWH is spirit, which humans are not.John explains that in the scripture i quoted. Joh 4:24.
    And yes YHWH can not lie. Alas YHWH can not be tempted to lie, James 1:13, like the human Yeshua, that was tempted in everything. Heb 4:15.
    Could YHWH appear as a man? Maybe but Scripture records YHWH saying:”And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.” Ex 33:20. Are we different than Moses?
    Shalom
    Sam

    • Dear Sam.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      Could YHWH appear as a man? Maybe but Scripture records YHWH saying:”And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.” Ex 33:20.

      My reply:

      This is why God could only fully reveal Him self to man, as a complete human being. Yeshua (Jesus) is truly unique. Fully God and fully man, in One person.

      John 1:14
      The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      (end of scripture).

      I like your “maybe”. Because that proves you look at this question with an open mind, but still not willing to compromise on scriptural truth.

  4. Dearest Ivar
    It is of most importance that we all have an open mind in everything regarding Scripture. And that Scripture is the final authority, not any man. We should all study Scripture, not just listen to men or women.
    Have you found anywhere in Scripture where beings can be a deity and human at the same time?
    Can Scripture inform us on any human becoming a deity or a deity becoming a human? Is there more than one Elohim, other than YHWH? Deu 6:4-9
    My answer is no.
    Scripture also tells us that YHWH is Elohim from eternity to eternity. Isa 43:13. So if YHWH became human for however long, he would not be Elohim from eternity to eternity.
    Paul considered Yeshua a human and YHWH Elohim. 1 Tim 2:5.
    The theory of the trinity becomes to much muddled for my liking. Trinity has its roots in the miracle at the council of Chalcedon where the dead Euphemia picked the scroll with the trinity. Scripture tells us not to ask the dead. Lev 19:31.

    Greetings
    Sam

    • @Sam: “The theory of the trinity becomes to much muddled for my liking”.

      This is not a theory. Also, please look at the Hebrew words “echad” and “yachid”. This may help with your perspective on the tri-unity of G-d.

      Shalom.

      • Dear Sam and Mordechai

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        The nature of the God of Israel is ONE. Always in agreement,. But Elohim is a plural word. “Let us create”. It is there already in the first book of the Bible. The Father, And His co-creator, the begotten Son, the Messiah.

  5. These Jewish unbelievers are blind and can’t read their own Scriptures so no wonder God has blocked their prayers…clearly in Isaiah it shows that a child would be given to Israel to be named as follows:

    Wonderful

    Counselor

    Mighty God

    Everlasting Father

    Prince of Peace

    The last time I check a “child” is a person born as a baby with a normal mother. This Child and Son is no other than Yeshua and YHWH. The Jewish unbelievers can try and twist these verses to claim in applies to Israel as a nation but that is purely stupid and breaks all rules of normal written words. Let’s read the whole section in context as follows:

    “For unto us a Child is born,
    Unto us a Son is given;
    And the government will be upon His shoulder.
    And His name will be called
    Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    Of the increase of His government and peace
    There will be no end.” Isaiah 9:6-7

    Note it states “The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.” v. 7. The names themselves indicate this is YHWH (a single individual that demands no other gods before Him) without question because no one else could possibly have an “everlasting” kingdom. AMEN

  6. Dear Ivar
    I have said my opinion and do not want cause any anger among your readers.
    Thank you for letting me share my opinion.
    Shalom
    Sam

    • Dear Sam

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      We are permitted to see things differently. If everyone on News That Matters agree on everything, you can only be sure, you have come to a dangerous cult.

      News That Matters is a site for freedom of expression in all matters related to faith. I am a Messianic Christian who support Biblical Zionism, and I will surely share my viewpoints on the Torah, the Tanakh and Brit Hadasha.

  7. Dear Ivar
    Thank you. We will not have all the answers until our Saviour comes back.
    To me there is to much of a discrepancy between those who confess to live by the Scriptures and Scripture. I.e not keeping YHWH’s Shabbat or His moedims. Instead the catholic church’s holy days are kept.
    Shalom
    Sam

  8. Sam,
    Seek and you shall fine. Please disregard what others may do or no do because all will stand alone on judgment day. YHWH declares, “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Ho. 6:6. I’ve noted that you have been searching and reading but you did not seem to regard the Scripture quoted above that disproves your “no” response that God cannot become a man. Did you ever consider a “Child” or “Son” being called “Almighty God”? How about Immanuel? You need to pray and consider Isaiah 9:6-7 and receive the truth. AMEN.

  9. Thanks Gordon
    I think I will go along with what Paul says:”For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,”
    And
    “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” Who is Yeshuas God and Father?
    What is your opinion about what Paul says? Do you think he might have some insight in the subject?
    Who’s two wills are expressed by Yeshua in Getsemane?” Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42.
    Shalom
    Sam

  10. Sam – just a note Elohim is plural. Elohanu is singular. There is a great deal to the interpretations in the Hebrew text regarding when one or the other is used. I like reading about the thought processes here and I don’t normally comment. However, I had to point that out. When re reading some of the verses and stories bare in mind the languages that they were written in and also the periods of the writing. Imagery and language are necessary to the interpretation. I’m not actually commenting on the discussion here. Rather I wanted to point that out. Sorry to intrude. :)

  11. Txlady
    No worries. I recognize that Scripture was not written in english to start with. I also know that Moses has the title Elohim. Without getting in to that I want to know what you think about Pauls assessment of Yeshua. Paul was educated and lived in the same time so his view must be taken with some seriousness.
    Sam
    P.s this might be of interest: http://www.wildbranch.org/teachings/hebrew-greek-mind/
    D.s

  12. i) “My Father is greater than I.”
    [The Bible, John 14:28]

    (ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
    [The Bible, John 10:29]

    (iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
    [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

    (iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
    [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

    (v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
    [The Bible, John 5:30]

    Clearly Trinity is nothing but a lie and God and Jesus are two not One. Jesus is a messenger of God not God Himself.

    • Dear Tallal

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      Clearly Trinity is nothing but a lie and God and Jesus are two not One. Jesus is a messenger of God not God Himself.

      My reply:

      The Bible clearly say that Jesus is God:

      Isaiah 9:6
      For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

      John 10:30
      I and the Father are one.’

      John 1:1
      [ The Word became flesh ] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      John 1:14
      The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      Reply to your other questions:

      i) “My Father is greater than I.”
[The Bible, John 14:28]

      “Greater” or “less greater” is not a debate on the topic if Jesus is God or not.

      For all men looking at Jesus in the form of a man, it would be obvious that returning to heaven, would make Jesus greater in the eyes of his students. This “I” is the man they see. The Messiah do not say that He is not God.

      (iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

      Jesus faced critics who disputed the Powers he had, and questioned if they could be from Satan. This statement do not confirm that Jesus is not God.

      (iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

      (v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]

      Jesus was a complete man when He walked on Earth. This verse proves His humanity. As a complete man, Jesus could do nothing separated from His Father. He came from Heaven, and returned to Heaven.

      • Dear Ivar
        You write:”The Bible clearly say that Jesus is God:”
        In my readings of the Scripture I have never found that sentence in Scripture. Have you?
        I am still waiting for a reaction from anybody regarding Paul’s assessment of who Yeshua is and who Yeshuas God and Father is.
        Can we just discard Paul’s statement as nonsense even though his view is written clearly and with little room for misinterpretation? Are we closer to the root of our belief by living in a secular greek thinking society?
        Shalom
        Sam

  13. i) “My Father is greater than I.”
    [The Bible, John 14:28]

    (ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
    [The Bible, John 10:29]

    (iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
    [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

    (iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
    [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

    (v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
    [The Bible, John 5:30]

    The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:

    “Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”

    This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:

    “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
    [The Bible, Mark 12:29]

  14. Yeshua is both God and man. As man the Father is greater, but as Son He is equal with the Father because God is One. The best method I know how to grasp this concept is to look at yourself which was made in the image of God. You are made in three parts but you are one person, body, soul, and spirit. After the Son became a man, born of a virgin, then God who was Father, Son, and Spirit, also became body, soul, and spirit, but still, there is only one God:
    Father, Son, Holy Spirit, body, soul, and spirit and still there is none above Him as He remains Mighty God YHWH.

  15. Tallal.

    The word for God is “one” that you quoted using “Ikhad” is plural and it is the same as Adam and Eve joined together to become one, which is also “ikhad”. God is one, which is true, but He is now not just God, but also man, while remaining the only true God with no one above Him or greater and deserving of our only worship. AMEN.

    Gordon

  16. OK, You say God became human and while he was human who was running the show i mean the rest of the universe and stuff? from where I see bible clearly states that Jesus [peace be upon him and God are two different entities, my father is greater than I , who is the father , now please don’t tell me its possible for God to do anything where Son of God is telling you I on my own can do nothing but by the will of my father and this way we are all children of the father that is God All Mighty.

  17. and as for Adam and Eve they don’t become one because if that’s the case we all become one while mating. and as for the Image bible also states that “Of him there is no Image” “He begets not nor he is begotten”.

    Also,

    “And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’ And he said unto him. ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments'”. (Matthew 19:16-17)

    also in John 20:17 Jesus clearly says that his father and our father his God and Our God is one. you cant just assume things when its so clear.

    Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'”

    Show me a single phrase that is equivocal that Jesus PBUH said worship me or that I am GOD.

  18. I am just trying to say that we should read the bible we an open mind and not what the pope said should engulf our thoughts and perceptions. think for a moment. and ask your self if it makes any sense?Jesus is categorically saying that he and Father are two different things why ? its just because it cracks the idea of dying for our sins put that out for a second and think.

    • Dear Tallal

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You are just showing the same anger as many ancient Jews. They could not accept that Jesus claimed to be equal with Elohim Israel.

      John 5:18
      For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

      But many Jews accepted that God Him self, had come down from Heaven, and taken on human flesh. Like your brother Thomas, who also doubted that this “man” could have risen from Sheol (the grave).

      John 20:28
      Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’

      Only God can forgive sins. If Jesus is a mortal man, that the sins was not forgiven. Jesus was a confused man, and so was all who believed in Him. His death and claims of salvation in His blood is pointless. There is no more power in the blood of Jesus, than in the blood of Muhammed, Buddha, etc.

      • Frid Ivar
        It can be tricky with translations to capture the right meaning of the original language.
        I.e the quote from Joh 5:18 that Yeshua was breaking the Sabbath. If, and I say IF, Yeshua had broken the Sabbath, then He could not have been the sacrificial Lamb for all our sins. SO Yeshua might have broken the pharisees rules regarding Sabbath but He certainly did not brake YHWH’s instructions, Law.
        So I would examine the rest of that sentence as well.
        How about Paul’s view on Yeshuas status?
        Sam

  19. Tallal

    Sorry but you can’t confound the grammar and must follow the Scriptures as written. In Gen. 2:24 Adam and Eve became “one” (‘echad) and in Deut. 6:4 God is “one” (‘echad) LORD [YHWH]. So even though “GOD” is plural He is “one” and even though Adam and Eve are plural they are “one”. It is obvious you don’t understand the Scriptures because even the Tanak points out clearly:

    1. In the beginning God created. Gen. 1:1 (thus we have Father)
    2. And the Spirit of God was. Gen. 1:2 (thus we have the Holy Spirit)
    3. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image. Gen. 1:26
    4. The Lord has said to Me, You are my Son. Ps. 2:7 (thus we have the Son of God)
    5. Kiss the Son…Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. Ps. 2:12
    6. The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool. Ps. 110:1
    7. The Lord has sworn and will not relent, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” Ps. 110:4

    Thus, we have the Son of God, both our Priest forever and ever and our God, which is why we put our trust in Him.

    So even a fifth grader can determine the Subject and verb that there is a God who is both one and plural, Father, Son, and Spirit or YHWH.

    Even a man has seen and witnessed these Scriptures fulfilled and has testified regarding Jesus the Christ in these words, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28

    In fact, the Gospel of John is a whole book written to prove the facts, as it is written, “But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” John 20:31

    I suggest you read the above verses and pick them apart and digest them meditating on them day and night. Then go read the Gospel of John from beginning to end and see for yourself if the Spirit of God does so clearly testify that, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory.” John 1:1-14. AMEN

  20. Sam,

    Here is Paul’s view on Yeshua the Christ:

    1. For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor. 4:6

    2. But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Gal. 4:4

    3. For through Him [Christ Jesus] we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 2:18

    4. Beware lest anyone cheat you…For in Him [Christ Jesus] dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” Col. 2:8-9

    5. He [Christ Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him [Christ Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him [Christ Jesus] and for Him. Col. 1:15-16

    So Paul’s view of Jesus Christ is that “He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” or in so many ways and words declares Jesus Christ to be Almighty God the creator of heaven and earth. AMEN

  21. Gordon
    What are your thoughts about the two quotes i referred to? Paul is pretty clear, in my mind.
    Here are my thoughts.
    1. Yeshua has a face, like all other humans. Yeshua reflects Gods glory, not His own.
    2. God send His Son. God is not coming to the earth.
    3. Yes through belief in Yeshua as our blood sacrifice can we draw near to YHWH.
    4. YHWH’s fulness dwells in Yeshua but that does not make Yeshua YHWH.
    5. Again Yeshua is the image. like all humans, Gen 1:26 :“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness,
    Rom 8:29::For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    Here is another dilemma, Hebr 2:17″Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
    Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. ”
    In all things like unto His brethren. Do you understand that as all believers are God then?

    Most of all I would like to hear your view on who Yeshuas God and Father is, if Yeshua is God.
    Peter 1:3″Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”
    Two witnesses mention Yeshuas God. Who do you think the God that both Paul and Peter mention is?

    Sam

  22. Sam
    You are confusing the two parts, in that one part of God is now man, but only after the Son became flesh. Before becoming flesh the Son was eternally begotten without beginning or end and the creator of heaven and earth as quoted by Paul. Yes, Yeshua now has a face, with two eyes, two arms and two legs, etc. etc. and is fully man and fully God. When somebody looks at you they see your face, but not your soul or spirit. When the apostles looked at Jesus they saw His face, but not His Father nor the Holy Spirit, yet He told them the Father and Himself were one and that He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. That’s why the High Priest had Him killed because He said He was equal to the Father!

    So in response to your numbers above:

    1. Yes Yeshua is human and reflects the glory of God in the flesh now, but before He was always Glorified and the Creator of heaven and earth prior to becoming a man.

    2. God did send His Son and since His Son is God then God did come to earth but only as a man with a sinless spirit, soul, and body. However, He was with the Father and always remained the Son even while on earth.

    3. Only through Jesus Christ and His single sacrifice, which does not need to be repeated, can we come to the Father.

    4. Yes, the fullness of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit dwells in Yeshua’s body, soul, and spirit.

    5. Yeshua, as a man, was the first-born from the dead and so He is the new Adam. But He brings life not death like the old Adam brought us, so we rejoice that like Him we too will be raised from the dead on the last day.

    No all believers are not God because there is only one God, Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus made it possible for us to be adopted as sons of God and be like Jesus Christ the man who is now glorified in heaven at the right hand of God. When Jesus comes in glory we will be changed just like Jesus, but we won’t ever be God. That’s what Satan wants to be and what he lied to Eve about how she could become God.

    So regarding Peter and Paul, they both believed Christ Jesus in the flesh was Almighty God, the creator of heaven and earth, the very Son of God. God the Father begot God the Son (who was without beginning or end) and He also sent His Son to the earth to be born of a virgin and die as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Just trust God, who is His own witness, that you cannot come to the Father except through the Son, who is the way, the truth, and the life, in which there is no darkness. Jesus Christ spoke the truth, “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.” John 12:45.

    In other words, Jesus claimed to be YHWH when He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58.

    AMEN

  23. Gordon
    I am confused by your writings.
    “You are confusing the two parts, in that one part of God is now man, but only after the Son became flesh.”
    Sooooooooooo God is now man, after Yeshua was born, correct? The logical follow up question is then: Who is God now?
    Another question that arises is : Is not God spirit anymore? Can you help me with some Scripture back up to your statement?
    To keep it short I will leave 1-5 alone. I have said what I want to say.

    ” God the Father begot God the Son ” Do you realize what you are saying here? This the definition of beget(begot is past tense): :(typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.:

    “So regarding Peter and Paul, they both believed Christ Jesus in the flesh was Almighty God,”
    You might think so but you are not quoting Paul and Peter correctly. Paul says”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” From this we can understand that 1:there is one God, not two. 2:Yeshua is a man. Yeshua is glorified now, the same way we are looking forward to be.1 Joh 3:2.

    Peter 1:3″Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”
    Who do you think is Yeshuas God since God became Yeshua?

    This is why I will not carry on this dialog. You are unaware that your arguments are contradictory.
    You write:” When Jesus comes in glory we will be changed just like Jesus, but we won’t ever be God.”
    How can you reconcile “Yeshua is both God and man.” and “we will be changed just like Yeshua” with “but we won’t ever be God.”
    Good night and Shalom
    Sam

  24. Sam,

    Let’s try and keep it simple, “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” 1 John 4:15. Do you confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and your LORD and savior? The answer will solve any problems you have of understanding the truth. AMEN

  25. Ok one more go around :)
    John says;”Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God”. Son of God, NOT God. Do you see it says that whoever confesses that Yeshua is the Son of God not just God? Then it continues:” God abides in him, and he in God.” Does that mean that whoever believes that Yeshua is the Son of God abides in is God?

    Simple.Ok. Paul says”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”
    Do you think Paul is wrong in that assessment?
    Simple, again.Who is Yeshuas God? Pet 1:3
    Shalom
    Purim is coming
    Sam

    • Dear Sam

      Shalom

      Jesus in the flesh was born by a virgin. It was obvious that this man was unique, and came from Heaven. No “man” can be born by a virgin. So the term “Son of God” is correct and valid, so that mankind might be able to fully understand. Many did not. Some do.

      Jesus is both “son of man” and “Son of God”. The Word, God Him self, has appeared in flesh.

      And by the way: Happy Purim.

  26. Dear Ivar

    Yeshua was born by a human virgin. The virgin conceived by the Holy Spirit. Matt 1:18-21.( What we can ponder over is if Miriam’s egg was used or not.)
    Yeshua was born a human not God. Heb 2:10-18.
    Yeshua was tempted. YHWH can not be tempted. We can be tempted
    Yeshua died. YHWH is eternal.
    We are like Yeshua, his brothers (and sisters)
    Yeshua was glorified. We will be glorified one day.

    I must nag about who Peter meant Yeshuas God is in 1 Peter 1:3. Who do you think Yeshua God is? Or is it a mistranslation?

    Shabbat Shalom
    Sam

  27. Sam,
    You did not answer my simple question so it must be that Jesus Christ is not your LORD and Savior. You are without a sacrifice and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for your sins. Your only hope is to pray to the Father asking Him to give you eternal life in the name of Jesus Christ. I am not a preacher, but rather a teacher. My ministry is to believers. You are without Christ and therefore unable to understand what I’ve been trying to give you for an answer. Maybe you can understand these words, but I’m not sure, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Co 2:14-15.

    So Sam it is impossible for you to understand any answers I give. I cannot help you, but you are not without hope. Call on the name of Jesus Christ and believe He is both God and man and He will answer your prayer. Otherwise you are left dead in your sins with no way to be forgiven. AMEN

  28. Sam,

    I just want to try and help you understand but it is just about impossible and we must have God’s help. You cannot pray to God the Father and be heard. You must pray in the name of Jesus Christ, as it is written, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.” Jn 14:6.

    All your questions will not be given satisfactory answers in your mind because you are without understanding. You won’t convince any believers in Jesus Christ with your silly suggestions and doubts. We have our hope but I fear you are without any hope whatsoever. You need to turn to Jesus Christ or continue to be lost. AMEN

  29. Dear Gordon
    I don’t think that any of us have been commissioned to be judges over others, would you agree?
    So who is saved and not is not for us to judge. You are free to have the gospel of Gordon and I have my own belief.
    BTW do you think Miriam and Josef called out for Jesus when supper was ready? Or maybe a Hebrew name?

    Shabbat Shalom
    Sam

  30. Sam,

    I am not your judge and don’t want to be…you will be judge my your own words. I tried to help but understand now that I am up against a brick wall. Of course Mary and Joseph called Jesus to supper using His Hebrew name. But I am not Hebrew, but rather speak my native English. Since God divided the people and gave different tongues He understands them all, and it is not a sin to call to Him in the language He gave to that individual. Your Hebrew is a waste of time, useless, until you turn to Jesus the Christ who is Yeshua HaMashiach Ben Elohim. AMEN

  31. Mean to write you will be judge by your own words not mine. Sam, I know that my answers were given using the Word of God which will not return void, but like water will bring forth fruit in its season. Maybe not to you should you remain proud but to some other humble souls searching and open to the truth. AMEN

  32. Sam,

    I once went to Hebrew school to learn Hebrew and picked up some words but I am just not very effective at other languages, including German, which is my wife’s native tongue. However, I have learned something that is important. I can reach more people in English than the very few that understand Hebrew. In fact, when I visited Israel in 2010 I had no problems using English and think more than half the world can understand what I say and write.

    God is obviously blessed English over Hebrew don’t you think? Regardless, in heaven we may all be back to a single tongue and it wouldn’t surprise me if is was Hebrew. AMEN

  33. Sam,

    All I can pray is some of the Word of God will rub off on you and perhaps someday you will thank people for praying for you. Remember, no work this Shabbot of any kind.

    Gordon

  34. Sam,
    Ivar quoted the Gospel of John, it seems pretty clear to me. The Word was with God…..the Word was God….the Word became flesh. John is clearly stating the dual nature of Yeshua, both God and man.
    Daniel 7…..”one like a Son of Man”….we know who like a Son of Man is, and He is also the Son of God. He shares the nature of both, in the same way you share the nature of both your parents, both human. But, the Son of Man of Daniel 7 is born of woman, Begotten of God, two natures, fully human, and fully God.
    Shalom!
    another Sam

    • Hello Sam
      As you can see in our discussion I have questioned why Paul and Peter seem to be of the opinion that, the man, Yeshua is the mediator between God and man. He also has the same God as us.
      Joh 1 says that the Word was with God the word was God and the word became flesh.
      Can this have to do with how God operates? Rom 4:17

      Sam

  35. Sam,

    It was necessary for the Son of God to become the son of man in order that, “we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.” Heb. 4:15

    Further, it was necessary that He must be the Son of God above the angels without beginning or end in order that, “Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.” Also, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” Heb. 5:5-6.

    Thus, God Himself, prepared a body for His Son in order to leave the Father in heaven and become a man on earth to be a sacrifice. Abraham was a foreshadow of what God required when He asked Abram to take his only son and make him a sacrifice and burn him to death. But Isaac did not meet the qualifications, and after Abraham passed the test his name was changed, Isaac was delivered, and God promised to provide a better sacrifice which would deliver us from our sins.

    Only Jesus Christ is without beginning or end and is a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek that shed His own blood once and for all for the sins of the world. Thus, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Pray 24 hours 7 days a week for your whole life and without the blood you are not going to be forgiven. This is why we Christians are free from sin and death, we have the blood of Jesus (not the blood of bulls and goats) over the doorway to our heart. A heart that is circumcised by God, broken, humble, and thankful for what we could not do for ourselves but what God did for us to cleanse us from our sins. God gave us Gentiles faith to make the Jews jealous but will someday soon deliver all of Israel when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, and the Jews, all the Jews, cry out, “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.” AMEN

    PS. Don’t confuse real Christians with those who wrongly use the name to hate, kill, and murder. If you do, you will swallow the lie of Satan hook, line, and sinker. True Christians love their brothers and don’t kill them like Cain.

  36. Hi Sam, thanks for your reply…I am not exactly sure what you asking in your question for me? Anyway, Peter and Paul indicated that Yeshua was mediator between God and man, but I dont see that as excluding the divinity of Yeshua. In Daniel 7, the one like a Son of Man appears before the Ancient of Days…..different roles for each.

    Yeshua replied to the Pharisees “Before Abraham existed, I AM”, and they took up stones to kill Him. Yeshua used the Name for Himself, and they wanted to kill Him for blasphemy. Thomas states “My Lord and My God”. John states “the Word was God”. Yeshua created all things, and claimed to be the preexistent One. David writes “The Lord said to my Lord”, and Yeshua asks of the Pharisees if He is David’s Lord, in what sense could He be David’s son?

    All in all, there are too many references in the Bible that point to Yehsua’s divinity for me to believe He was just a man…

    Shalom!
    another Sam

  37. Hello Sam
    Paul says::” For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”.
    Paul is of the opinion that Yeshua is a man,
    Paul also: ” Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
    Peter says:”Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”
    Paul and Paul are of the opinion that Jesus Christ has a God. Who is Jesus Christs God? It can’t be Jesus himself.

    I have not found anywhere in Scripture where it actually says Jesus is (God),YHWH.
    On the other hand Paul says clearly that Yeshua is a man.
    Hebr 2:17″Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,”
    Here we see Yeshua is made like his brethren. So the argument must be that if Yeshua is God so are his brethren,us.
    I don’t think any believer is willing to stand up and say: I am God. Do you?
    Shalom
    Sam

  38. Sam,

    We’ve gone over this before but it takes spiritual understanding to grasp the truth. Yes, Christ Jesus is a man born of a virgin and yet He is called Immanuel or God-With-Us. (Isaiah 7:14) This child’s name was “almighty God”. (Isaiah 9:6) Therefore Jesus Christ is called both “son of man” and “Son of God”.

    Thus, Jesus Christ is both God and man. I know unbelieving Jews want to change “Virgin” to “maiden” which is ridiculous because what kind of special sign would “the LORD Himself” give us if it was just some out-of-wedlock bastard found common among the Jews? This would not be a sign at all but just an every day experience!

    Certainly God wouldn’t claim a bastard as His only begotten Son. Neither would Paul call just a man, the creator of everything that was made, as it is written, “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible…and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.” Col. 1:15

    Sam, you are guilty of taking one verse or two verses out of context and trying to say by subtracting from the Scriptures that Paul only claimed Jesus Christ to be a man, while forgetting that Paul would not attribute all of creation to only a man born in his day. You are silly for thinking such thoughts or we don’t know the tricks you are playing.

    As far as Peter is concern, we know your claims are mistaken, as well. Peter declared point blank, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matt. 16:16.

    So we know two things, the Son of God is God, and the son of man is man. This can only be Yeshua HaMashiach Ben Elohim. If you know Hebrew you should know about this from Scriptures.

    Finally, every believer knows that they are not God and any would quickly be marked as false that would claim such nonsense. So the real question is not what you are asking but what I am asking, Do you Sam believe that Jesus is the Christ as prophesied in the Scriptures? Or do you know of any man that claimed such, and proved such by telling ahead of time, “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Matt. 12:40.

    Come on Sam and get on board and stop calling God a liar. AMEN

    • Gordon
      How can you read: “the Son of God” and interpret that to mean God?
      Yeshua had a mother too. A human. And BTW Yeshua is called Son of Man 88 times in NT. Does that mean nothing?
      YHWH called Ezekiel son of man 93 times.Son of man means human.
      What’s your understanding of Luke 22:42 “(Jesus)Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. ”
      Now IF i say IF Jesus was God how come there were two wills mentioned. Jesus will and the Fathers will?
      Are you saying the Jesus was schizo?
      All in love
      Sam

  39. Sam,

    “The Word was God”
    “The Word was made flesh”

    Who is this Word that John is writing about?

    • Dear Sam
      What you are quoting says that the WORD became flesh. The WORD was made flesh.
      I can note read that God became flesh when it says the word became flesh.
      And apparently Paul and Peter could not either.
      So unless you want to call Paul and Peter liars it must mean something else, right?
      Did you see my thought about Rom 4:17? “God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. ” What words have been spoken by the prophets even as far back as when YHWH said: Gen 3:15″And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
      The trinity idea came from a dead person. Read about the miracle during the Council of Chalcedon. Scripture tells us not to communicate with the dead.
      It is serious stuff.
      Shalom
      Sam

  40. Sam,
    I believe you are mistaken. It is very clear that Yeshua is the Word, the Word is God, and the Word became flesh. To suggest anything else is forcing the text through a grid to make it conform to a particular theology….the Word is being made subservient to preconceived construct. Your interpretation of John 1 is unconvincing and seems forced. We will have to agree to disagree…..
    Shalom,
    another Sam

  41. Sam
    It would be very helpful if you could reference your statement to where you read it in scripture.
    To read the word “Word”‘ and pronounce it “God” is very farfetched.
    What Paul says is very clear. Paul says::” For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”
    If you want to call Paul a liar go ahead. I won’t.
    There is nothing wrong with having different viewpoints. I still respect you.
    Til next time
    Shalom
    Sam

  42. The word “Word” is not pronounced “God”. I agree that is far fetched. The word “Word” is pronounced Yeshua…..The “Word” is clearly Yeshua. Then John proceeds to state unequivocally “The Word was God”. How can a literal word be God? Of course it cant. Therefore, the Word, Yeshua, is God, as clearly explained by John. The Word is God, the Word was made flesh, the Word is Yeshua.
    Yeshua clearly stated “I and the Father are One”. Therefore, there is One God, as expressed in the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. When you married, your Father considers you “one” with your wife…”the two shall become one”. So, I am not calling Paul a liar as you imply….please dont twist what I am saying to your ends.

    • Sam
      ” The word “Word” is pronounced Yeshua…..The “Word” is clearly Yeshua.”
      Now this is just a tad far fetched.
      Either we read as it is written or we all have our own reading of text.
      So where do you find the scripture that tells us that the word, word, should be read, Yeshua?
      Yeshua is mentioned as the son of man 88 times in NT. That must mean something?
      Did you look up the miracle in Chalcedon?
      Shalom
      Sam

  43. Sam,

    You didn’t get the point…Paul said Yeshua was the creator of everything that was created both seen and unseen. Why can’t you see the fact that since Yeshua made everything He is God? Or are you calling Paul a liar?

    Gordon

  44. Sam,

    You were adamant to insist that Paul was calling Jesus Christ a man, but you didn’t answer my question about the same Paul declaring that Jesus Christ created everything that was made both visible and invisible. So how can just a man have created heaven and earth? Surely Paul believed Jesus Christ to be God. This shoots your theory in the foot and voids your instance that Jesus Christ was just a man. He is God, the Creator of heaven and earth. AMEN

    Gordon

    PS. No, I am not a Roman Catholic. Religious affiliation doesn’t save you, the person Jesus Christ saves us.

  45. Dear Gordon
    Religious affiliation have no impact on salvation but religious doctrines do.
    Is Paul right in saying that Yeshua is a man?
    Is there not 88 references in NT that says that Yeshua is the son of man, a human?
    Humans are born, have a body, then die, are resurrected and some to be glorified and live for ever.
    This all fits Yeshua, the son of man, And it also fits all humans because we are exactly like Yeshua.
    God is eternal, can not be seen , lives from eternity to eternity, is outside of time and space.
    This fits God.

    Sam

  46. Sam,

    You can’t have it just one way. Sure it says Jesus Christ was a man. It also says He created the heavens and earth so He must be God, too.

    The scary part for you applies to rejecting the fact that He is both God and man, thus making God a liar. For that sin there is no forgiveness either in this life or the next. You need to adjust your doctrine in line with the truth, and soon!

    Amen.

    Gordon

    • Dear dear Gordon.
      You say that Yeshua was a human and also that Yeshua created the world. How do you reconcile those two statements?
      Regarding salvation is this the criteria: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
      Do you believe in the son that became like us in every way?Joh 3:16 and Heb 2:17.
      I reserve the right to judge what is truth and not, thank you. You can travel along any trail you see fit. All the best.

      Sam

  47. This conversation is interesting. May I add a few things from the Words of Jesus? John says, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE” 1 John 5:7 “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the WORD OF LIFE” 1 John 1:1 “And the WORD was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14. Jesus says, “I and my Father are ONE.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? John 10:30-32. “Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I AM.” John 13:13″ “I AM the bread of life” John 6:48. “Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: For HE shall not speak of HIMSELF; but what so ever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to com. He shall glorify ME: for HE shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” John 16:13-16 In this verse alone He, the Holy Spirit is mentioned 8 times! The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth it says. Without it we cannot understand unless we have the Holy Spirit which is part of the triune God. God The Father, God The Son, God the Holy Spirit, and these 3 are ONE. In Jesus name, Amen!

  48. Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is not created, He is God. Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God like I showed you in John 16:13-16. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. These three are ONE. John 10:30. Just like the WORD says. God is Triune. 1 in 3, 3 in 1. Genesis 1:26 says, “LET US make man in OUR IMAGE, according to OUR likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth” Man is created in the image of God. Body-Soul-Spirit. We are created and not gods. Only God could come down, become a man, live a perfect life, be tempted by Satan and not sin (obey the law perfectly), do all the miracles He did and pay the penalty of the sin of man kind. He was the Lamb without blemish crucified for you and me so that we can live. Once we repent, believe that Jesus paid the penalty for our sin we our saved. Our righteousness are like filthy rags, we cannot save ourselves. We should have been on the cross, but Christ was there. What did John the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah say? “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29 Praise the Lord!

  49. Dear Nanette
    We got to keep track of what is written in Scripture.
    You write: “Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is not created, He is God. ”
    The truth is that nowhere in Scripture can you fins this text : “Jesus is God in the flesh.”
    As a matter of fact Scripture describes Yeshuas arrival as such: “But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
    Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Yeshua
    Sorry my friend but Joh 16:13-16 does not say what you have interpreted it to say”
    Gen 1 only mentions YHWH and Ruach Hakodesh.

    Whats your view of Pauls and Peters writing:” Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
    Who do you think Yeshuas God is, if Jesus is God? Do you have more than one God in mind?

    If God came down to earth who is Jesus praying to in Gethsemane as such: ” And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
    Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”
    So who is God, Jesus, praying to and does God have different wills?
    Trinity is very foogy and we know the doctrine was formed at the council in Chalcedon. A dead person was consulted even though Scripture says we should nor consult dead people.
    Shalom
    Sam

    • Sam,
      The answer is very simple. Jesus (God the Son) is praying to God the Father. God is plural (Elohim). Three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

      • Dear Mayo
        You are describing two Gods and three persons. Did I understand that right?
        Sam

      • No Sam. You understood it from the plain language used, just as it was meant to be understood. Whether you accept it or not is your choice.

  50. Sam,

    You are just another little antichrist that fits the perfect definition given to us in Scripture, as it is written, “Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:2-3.

    Sam,
    Also, it is written, “We are of God, He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” 1 John 4:6.

    Sam,

    This blog is mainly for believers and those that are searching for the truth about Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior. He is the Son of God, very God of very God. You need to clean your house and bring in a 1,000 more evil spirits than the one you have now, because your little evil spirit isn’t convincing us at all. I suggest you leave this trail before you dig a deeper place in hell for yourself. Your suggestion has no merit, but my suggestion is backed by the Holy Spirit, Himself. Question to ask yourself, “How will you avoid the Lake of Fire?” AMEN

    Gordon

  51. Sam, you are like trying to witness to a Jehovah’s witness who deny the triunity of God and the resurrection. Pharisees vs. Sadducees. But I will try once more. First, are you a Jewish man? If so you would know about Midrash? Which has 2 elements. 1) nimshal, 2)mashal. The nimshal is a description of everyday life, and the mashal is the spiritual truth or principal it illustrates. God takes things in nature to explain spiritual things. Like using animals to describe a personality. Bear, Lion, Snake, Birds, etc. Without the Holy Spirit there is no way you can understand. You need to humbly come before the Lord ask for Him repent of your unbelief and ask Him to save you. Pride is what is in your way. It is in all of our ways, we must be humble. We must know that we can’t save ourselves we need Jesus! There is no other way. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! Shalom, Nannette

    • No I am not Jewish. I am adopted in to Israel, YHWH’s people.(which btw has not been replaced)
      I admire your self confidence in being right. I have the same trait. ;)
      We will find out in the end who cried Lord, Lord but is called evildoers by Yeshua.
      All the best
      Shalom
      Sam

  52. And the WORD became FLESH (a body) and dwelt among us, and we beheld HIS GLORY as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the FATHER (Jesus), full of grace and truth. John 1:14. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son (Jesus), and they shall call HIS NAME Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. Matthew 1:23 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh (body), was vindicated in the SPIRIT, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16. In the beginning was the WORD THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1

  53. And the disciples came and said to Him (Jesus), “Why do You speak to them in parables?” Jesus answered them, To you it has been granted to know they mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. “For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, no do they understand. In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, You will keep on hearing, but will not understand; You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive; For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, and they have closed their eyes, otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and return, and I would heal them. Matthew 13:10-15. The Parables of the Sower. 4 soils and only 1 soil is saved.

    • Dear Sam

      Shalom.

      Please do not let anyone push you away from this website. By communicating with you, my Christian brothers and sisters learn how to love Non-Christians and share their faith in the true Messiah. The one and only.

      The letters of John the Apostle in the Bible, do say that rejecting that God has appeared in the flesh, account to believing in a different “Jesus”. A replacement for the true Messiah. It is important in this setting to understand, that an anti-Messiah is not a faith-system that is against the belife that there is a Messiah. But rather the faith in a copy-cat, that is not the true Messiah, but someone who pretend to be a Messiah.

      if Jesus is not God, than we who worship Him are worshipers of a created being. Now, we will be idol worshipers, who according to the scriptures blaspheme against the truth. If you are wrong, you will accept a copy-cat Messiah, who has no divine and eternal powers. Just a mortal man. So a lot is at stake here.

      I want you to open your heart to the possibility that the Messiah is God, and that Yeshua of Nazareth is this Messiah.

      I believe He is eternal God. An no powers on the face of the Earth or in the heavens above, can change this conviction in my heart. The Messiah is my Lord and God. For eternity. Amen.

      • Ivar Thank you for responding. Regardless of belief or not in the trinity doctrine I still think we can be courteous in our dialog. I hope that you do not condone statements like -Sam,You are just another little antichrist -You need to clean your house and bring in a 1,000 more evil spirits than the one you have now, because your little evil spirit isn’t convincing us at all. Gordon used that language. I appreciate his zeal but think he went a bit to far in his excitement. If you see this as the love of the Messiah I will not bother you any more. Shalom Sam

      • Dear Samuel Sundstrom

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        I do not acknowledge this kind of statements:

        “You are just another little antichrist -You need to clean your house and bring in a 1,000 more evil spirits than the one you have now”.

        This is a statement from Gordon, and it crosses the lines of what i call an insult without signs of regret. If he continue to use this kind of language as a part of a debate on faith, I might tell him to change his style, or leave News That Matters.

      • Ivar
        I do not think we are supposed to judge who is saved or not. To judge any human is not our job.
        Can you back up with scripture where John says that God has appeared in the flesh?
        According to Yeshua we are not supposed to worship, Yeshua but YHWH. Luke 4:8″ And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. ”
        Yeshua said this when sa-an was tempting him.” Then יהושע(Yeshua) said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship יהוה (YHWH)your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’ ” Matt 4:10
        Here again can we see that Yeshua refers to God, YHWH, not himself.

        I will consider anything that is written in Scripture.
        Shalom
        Sam

      • Dear Sam

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Ivar
        I do not think we are supposed to judge who is saved or not.

        My reply:

        I chose to disagree. We can judge who is saved. But we can not judge who will be eternally condemned. I know I am saved. You can judge this based on my confession of faith in Jesus as my Lord and God, and the fruits of my new life.

  54. That is what unbeliever’s do. They accuse believers of yelling. I am writing, you don’t know me, you don’t know if I am yelling, you have to take my word for it. I was pointing out scripture. The reason you don’t understand is because you are not listening. There are Doctrines in which we must believe. 1) the trinity 2) Jesus is 100% God and 100% man 3)Salvation: it is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. 5) The scripture is entirely inerrant and sufficient for the Christian life. The major religions of the world all deny all of these major doctrines. The cults deny one or more, usually more than one and especially the dual nature of Christ. I would add we must believe that we are baptized and sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believed and was born again. 1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 2:21-22. James Jacob Prasch. I agree 100% with what Jacob says. He is a Jewish evangelist to the Jews. The Jews do not believe in the above statement. Instead of following the Jewish religion, maybe you should follow Christ. Shalom

  55. Correction: It was Jacob’s website but Sandy Simpson wrote it, They both agree. Also, not 2 Corinthians 2:21-22, it is 2 Corinthians 1:21-22. I had to correct my error. Shalom.

  56. Nannette
    I hope you are aware of that using capital letters is considered yelling, in the bloggosphere?
    Sam

    • Dear Ivar
      Scripture gives us a great example regarding this. Matt 7:21-23. Those who thought they were saved and prophesied, drove out demons and performed many miracles, were not known by Yeshua. They were told by Yeshua: “Away from me you evildoers” (evildoers means workers-of-Torah-lessness). The Scripture has:” you who work lawlessness!”
      So in their case, however confident they were in their salvation, they were not saved.
      So I suggest that until we face Yeshua we work on our salvation with fear and trembling, rather than judge others.
      Shalom
      Sam

  57. You are being evil. You are not edifying, and that is the point of this website. The division you are trying to cause is between you and the believers on this website. It is not working. “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. Matthew 7:6. Which means you are an enemy of the gospel, as apposed to those who are merely unbelievers. I have dusted my feet off!

  58. Sam,

    Do not consider my remarks as harsh or uncaring because that is just not the truth. However, the seriousness of matter is so great that we must not beat around the bushes. As it is written, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how an ye escape the damnation of hell?” Mt. 23:33. AMEN

    Gordon

  59. Sam,

    Do you consider Paul’s words equally? Paul wrote, “looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Lord Jesus Christ.” Titus 2:13. You insist on claiming Paul said that Jesus was man, why not insist with Paul that God and Jesus Christ are the same as written above?

    Gordon

  60. Sam,

    Jesus Christ is one and the same God and man. I’m just following the instructions given to the letter, as it is written, “Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.” Titus 2:15. AMEN

    Gordon

    • Dear Sam

      Shalom, and love in Yeshua.

      I am aware that within the Messianic body in Israel and other communities of Jews, there is an ongoing division related to the nature of the Messiah. Classical and orthodox Christianity claims that Jesus is fully divine and eternal God. New claimed Messianic teachers talks about his divine nature.

      This debate is not new. This is a 1900 old topic. The teacher Arius (ca. AD 250–336) claimed Jesus was the first creation of God, and through Him everything else were created. This is the basic doctrine of the Jehova Witnesses.

      If Jesus is a created being, His perfect atonement for sins comes into question. A mortal man can not pay for the sins of other mortal men. Neither can a mortal man forgive sins. Only God can forgive sins. So if Jesus were just a man with a divine nature, there have been many of such through the ages. Like Buddha and Muhammad. What took place on Calvary Hill was basically a non-event, and absolutely not the redemption of mankind.

      And this Jew named Yeshua could absolutely not save gentiles. So million of non-Jews just fool them selves, claiming that the Messiah is the savior of the World, as John 3:16 claims.

      I am sure this doctrine of Jesus being a mortal man with a divine nature is the presentation of a false-Messiah. Just one of many. That is why Jesus said: – Watch out. Many shall come in my name, and deceive many . Even the elect, if possible.

      • Dear Ivar.
        The discussion about trinity is 2000 years old so I am sure we will not settle it in our lifetime. I find it interesting that is was the catholic church that brought it about.

        Yeshua took our punishment, if we believe in him. That means whatever happens to a man that does not accept Yeshua, happened to Yeshua. All we have to do is read about what happens to an unrepentant man, to find out what Yeshua endured.
        One thing we know for sure is that Yeshua was born by a human and have all the same human attributes as us. Another, he was tempted in everything just like us.
        Shalom
        Sam

      • Dear Sam

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        It is not correct, that it was the Catholic Church who brought the Trinity into the picture. It the Scripture it self, there is an appearance of all the Three in ONE. Jesus is baptized, the Holy Spirit manifests it self in the form of a dove, and the Father speaks from heaven.

        Later Thomas the Jewish apostle realized that He is standing in front of God, in the flesh, the resurrected Lord. He said” My Lord and my God”.

      • Dear Ivar There was no option to reply in the blog so I do it his way. The catholic church was certainly involved in the council of Chalcedon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemia This is the council where it was decided if Jesus was of single nature or a combined nature. The combined, trinity, was , allegedly, chosen by the dead Euphemia. The result was sent to pope Leo I.

        You write:” Jesus is baptized, the Holy Spirit manifests it self in the form of a dove, and the Father speaks from heaven. ” Jesus, the man is baptized. The holy spirit descends, like a dove. The Father speaks from heaven. There are three parties here. Jesus the man, as Paul says. The holy spirit. The Father who speaks from heaven. Now scripture states that Jesus has a God and Father. Ef 1:3. 2Co 1:3, 1 Peter 1:3. IF God came to this earth in the body of Jesus, who is speaking from heaven? And who is Jesus God? Important questions that we need to ponder at length.

        Another question that needs to be spent time on is this. You say that Thomas was standing in front of God in the flesh, right? God is from eternity to eternity and he does not change. Isa 43:13. Ps 90:2. Mal 3:6. Scripture also says that no man (I hope you can agree that Thomas is a man?) can see God and live. Ex 33:11. Joh 1:18.

        Third and last subject. God is spirit. Joh 4:24. Not human. Num 23:19. Does not change. Mal 3:6 . Is from eternity to eternity. Isa 43;13. God can not be tempted. James 1:3.

        Jesus is human. 1 Tim 2:5. Heb 2:17. Jesus was tempted. Matt 4. Hebr 4:15. Jesus was born by a virgin woman, lived, was dead for 3 days and three nights, was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

        That was a long mail. Sahlom Sam

      • Dear Sam

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        We have been here before, and are moving around in circles.

        God can chose to become a man. No one can stop Him. This is the essence of true Messianic faith. Elohim Israel is plural, and God is One. Always in agreement. This is an almost mind blowing truth, that God took on flesh to save us from our sins.

        To explain a person who is 100 per cent man and 100 per cent God is not possible if you use logic and reason as basis for your faith. You have to accept that God is Supreme, we are not. But the Word is God, and the Word became flesh. I copy my brother Thomas, and will forever tell the Messiah: “My Lord and my God”. You do not accept Jesus as your God. I do.

      • Dear Ivar Again no reply button. Yes I think we know each others beliefs by now. To put in a final comment, if we can’t use logic and reason to understand who Yeshua is, what can we use?

        Another logic of Gud taking on flesh for our salvation, then God was tempted and died for three days and three nights. I know that YHWH is supreme but also does not change. He is YHWH from eternity to eternity. Isa 43:11. God does not die! The word Echad in the Shema means just 1. Not one group. 1 (one). As in when you count.

        Shalom Sam

      • Dear Sam.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        God did not “die” inline with a human reasoning of what death is. Jesus defeated death (Satan). He took the key’s and ministered to the souls imprisoned in Sheol (the graves). In Jerusalem, dead people came out of the caves and walked around. Mind blowing, all of it was the display of the power of the resurrection.

        You can simply not use logic, to explain how a man could rise from the dead. You have to accept this by faith. Say it with your mouth, and believe in your heart that Jesus has risen from the grave.

      • Dear Ivar One more comment. Yeshua took our punishment. Isa 53:4-6: 1 Peter 3:18. He died for us. Acts 25:19. Scripture clearly describes his death and burial. Acts 2 talk about how he was not abandoned to the grave but resurrected. Our punishment was on Jesus. So if we believe in him we will not be punished. If we do not believe in Yeshua we will have the same fate as if Yeshua had not sacrificed himself. And you know what that fate is. If a believer dies before Yeshua’s return, the same thing will happen to them when Yeshua comes back. They will rise up out of their graves. So, in short, to know what happened to Yeshua, we can read about what happens to an unbeliver.. Shalom Sam

  61. Gordon
    Don’t you realize that when you called me a demonpossesed antichrist, I lost all respect in your words?
    Do you know what hermeneutics and context is?

    Sam

  62. Dear Gordon, he said he was considering all YOUR words equally. He is not considering God’s word, for what you wrote was God’s word, not yours. In other words he does not consider God’s word, period. He is an enemy, for God’s word is true. By their fruits you shall know them. Dust off your feet.

    • Dear Nannette

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      There seems to be a loft of dusting off feet in your latest comments. Please do mot misuse the name of God, and misquote Jesus the Messiah. He told us to dust our feet when we are not welcomed. Both Sam and you are welcomed to this site. But if you continue to tell people to leave this site, or not to communicate with Sam, I feel you should follow your own advice.

  63. Nannette,
    I agree his only purpose is to sow weeds, but he will be unable to claim he was never presented the truth which he so firmly rejects. Hopefully any souls that come and read this particular thread, and are really seeking the truth, will be helped by my responses. I am trying to share the Word of God and can only trust that the Word will not return void but will be fruitful. Sam doesn’t respect my words and he subtracts from the Scriptures which he falsely claims is hermeneutics. He claims that Paul never called Jesus Christ God, but that has been refuted by Scripture, so Sam has no excuse for continuing his objections. Anyway, thanks for your concern and comments.

    Gordon

    • Dear Gordon.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      If you are convinced Jesus in God, there is no need to be upset with Sam. Use the scriptures to convince Him, not to demonize him.

      I am convinced Jesus (Yeshua) is God. Still, it is not my job to save others. That is the work of the Holy Spirit. Every word you share with Sam, shall not return void.

      • Dear Ivar
        I need to clarify with you what you mean.
        You wrote:”Every word you share with Sam, shall not return void.”
        I hope that you mean every word of Scripture, not every word of Gordon?

        Sam

  64. Your right Ivar. I was using as a way to get off this dialogue, because Sam was trying argue. This verse (Matthew 10:14) was not Biblical to use. repent.

  65. Ivar,

    I trust you are correct and sorry if I am too protective of the truth. Same wrote more than a few comments above that God is sending His Son but not coming to earth and that Jesus Christ is man and not at the same time God. There was a big exchange of comments after that trying our best to convince Sam was wrong, but he seems to skip the Scriptures or cherry-pick some without regarding others Scriptures, which is subtracting from the truth and forbidden by God.

    I will rest my case on the following Scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit. “looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Titus 2:13. It is evident that this verse proves God and Jesus Christ are the same and that Jesus Christ, as both God and man, will soon be returning to earth, but this time in His full Power and Glory. Every eye shall see Him, from Adam to the very smallest embryo, created since mankind first walked this earth.

    Again, sorry if my rebuke of Sam was too severe in your eyes, but the Lord rebukes those He loves. Even Satan was addressed in Peter when Peter wasn’t thinking straight.

    AMEN

  66. Amen Gordon! We preach Christ crucified! 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We are saved by grace which means unmerited favor. We sure don’t deserve what Jesus did for us and no works can add to what Christ did on the cross. If a person adds works to be saved like going to a church, being baptized, obeying the commandments, etc., they are saying look at me God, I’m good enough. Narrow is the gate says Jesus, Matthew 7:13&14. We must believe these 5 important doctrines to be saved. 1) The trinity (tri-une God) 2)Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. 3) Jesus is coming back bodily to the earth to rule and judge 4) Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone. 5)The Scripture is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christians in their life. The major religions of the world all deny these major doctrines, the cults deny one or more and usually more than one and especially the dual nature of Christ. Sandy Simpson says he would also add we must believe that we are baptized and sealed with the Holy Spirit (which is God), when we believed and was born again (John 3:3). Ephesians 1:13-14, 1 Corinthians 12:13, 1 Corinthians 1:21-22. The reason I used Sandy’s notes is because he says it wonderfully. Shalom, Nannette

    • Nanette, you said: “We must believe these 5 important doctrines to be saved…”

      No! The thief on the cross next to Jesus only believed him to be the Messiah. “Lord remember me when you get to your kingdom.”
      I was raised an atheist, and didn’t understand anything more than what the Holy Spirit kept saying to me at the time – “Jesus is alive, and Jesus is Lord!”

  67. Phil, you can’t have excuses because of the thief on the cross. The thief had no time to learn like we can and grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. You will be without excuse when you go before the Lord because you had time to study. People have told you the truth, and you can be stubborn and not believe. My grandfather accepted the Lord on his death bed as well. Children die before the age of accountability and go straight to heaven, but once a child is able to understand he or she can accept the gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and be saved and also grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. The way is narrow the Bible says, and make sure you are in the faith.

    • Dear Nannette

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You only need to accept a personal relationship with Jesus, to make Him willing so save you. The Messiah do not demand that people need to follow your “gospel” of 5 doctrines. If people are saved 40 years or five minutes before they pass away, is irrelevant.

      Your doctrinal view, concludes that sharing the gospel on the dying beds of people, is the smart way. So they “easily” can be saved by Him. Without the “five doctrines saving grace of salvation”.

    • Dear Nanette

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      I feel we must look at the fruits that shall come from salvation, to be sure a person is saved or not. I can hear what many people say with their mind, bur their actions prove that there is no changes in the heart. Some claimed to be followers of Jesus do obviously not know the elementary message of salvation, but they are very few.

    • Nannette. Sanctification and education are the next stage after Salvation. But salvation comes first, and that only happens when God gives a person to Jesus.

      John 6:37 “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and he that comes to me I will in no wise cast out.”

      God mustn’t have heard about your five point plan before he gave me to Jesus. But that didn’t stop him from being my Lord and Saviour!

  68. Ivar, I’m using God’s word as my guide. I am not judging Philo’s salvation, what I am saying is that he is learning doctrine, if he does not believe it (doctrine) then I would wonder why. Catholic’s do not believe that Jesus is God. The thief on the cross must have because he called Jesus “Lord”. If we read Luke 23:32-43. We can see the story, we can also see what thieves knew about Jesus. They were with Him, they saw everything that was done to Jesus, the beatings, everything, and the one thief was convicted because of faith in Jesus and God must have revealed Himself to him by the Holy Spirit. God’s word is true and the word says, “Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.” 1 Corinthians 12:3 Shalom

  69. Considered the word of the Lord: In Matthew 16:13,16,17 it says, “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of man is?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you Simon Barjona, because flesh & blood did not reveal this to you, but my Gather in Heaven.” Then in John 20:27-28 it says, “Then He Jesus said to Thomas, reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into my side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing. “Thomas answered and said to Him “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” What did the thief on the cross say? “He called JESUS LORD. Matthew 23:42&43 says, “Then he said (the thief) to Jesus “Lord remember me when you come into Your kingdom,” and Jesus said to him. “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” What does the book of Acts say? “The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ-HE IS LORD OVER ALL. What does Romans 10:9 say? “that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” What does Philippians 2:11 say? “That every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the glory of God the Father.” I submit to you that Peter, Thomas, the thief on the cross confessed that Jesus was God. Shalom

  70. Dear Ivar, my mother in law is Catholic and she says the pope is god. President Bush said that the pope is god and many others. It’s crazy but true. There are many who feel that way. I know the jesus in the Eucharist is different Jesus. The pope is just a man, who is blinded by satan, and being used by satan. Thank you Ivar for the link. Shalom

  71. Philo, I have a couple of questions? First, who is Jesus? Second, do you believe in the trinity? Third, will there be a resurrection of both the living and the dead? Fourth, were do you get your teachings from? Fifth, Who is God? Thank you, for your time. Shalom

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