Israeli army told not to remove Hamas leadership in Gaza

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated on Sunday that restraint would be “the watchword”.

The leadership in Israel is not willing to use their supreme military to remove the Hamas-regime from Gaza.

“We intend to restore the quiet,” he said. “If that is also Hamas’ intention, quiet will be restored. If Hamas intensifies its attacks … our response will be much more severe.”

Hamas’ deputy defense minister, Ghazi Hamad, made a rare direct appeal to Israel Sunday, calling for a halt to the fighting during an Israel Radio interview he gave in Hebrew.

“We are interested in calm, but we want the Israeli army to stop its attacks,” he said.

The Israel Defense Forces refrained from responding to a rocket fired on Sunday toward Ashkelon and to the 10 mortar shells that hit open areas in southern Israel, even as a ministerial committee directed the army “to continue to act against those responsible for terrorism.”

Sourcre: Israeli Daily Haaretz.

My comment:

The Government of Israel seems to be caught somewhere between the devil and the deep blue sea.

They can not live with a Hamas regime in Gaza, sending hundred plus rockets into Israel.  Neither can they remove Hamas.

Why?

On reason is that there seems to be no one to replace Hamas, but al-Quaeda or Islamic Jihad.

The second reason is that Israel do not want al-Fatah to take over Gaza. That will bring an end to the present “three state solution”, that can never be enforced on Israel.  A sudden re-appearance of al-Fatha (PLO) in Gaza, will quickly lead to International pressure on Israel to surrender Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem.

So the solution is to permit Hamas to send rockets in over Southern Israel, but not to many.  Its seems to be silly. But please tell me the better alternative for men like Benjamin Netanyahu?

If anyone think there will be a “just peace” in the Middle East , they do not understand the complex situation for the Jewish state. When Jesus said Israel would be in deep distress, we who are connected to the Holy Spirit will be able to understand.

Luke 21:23
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.

We do also understand, that Israel will be forced into signing a “peace agreement” with her enemy, that can surely not be trusted. Israel’s Islamic enemies are like a cancer, that no one really knows how to remove. It is deadly.

Written by Ivar

50 thoughts on “Israeli army told not to remove Hamas leadership in Gaza

  1. I see all the Christian TV Evangelists saying God will bring all the Nations against Israel. Why would God do that.

    The Bible is an amazing Book. You can build up a whole scenario from only one verse and pick and choose other one liners to make a case.

    Lets not forget the underlying message in the story of Jesus being tested and tempted by the devil. The devil uses quotes from the Bible but Jesus always has a better line.

    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent to you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!
    Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    For I say to you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:37-37

    Here is the LORD saying Jerusalem is lost, not until the Lord himself returns, but until the one whom the Lord sends in his name.

    The great prophet Isaiah wrote this. In my view, Today it applies not only to Israel, but to all Nations.

    Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD has spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
    The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master’s crib: but Israel does not know, my people do not consider.
    Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
    Why should you be stricken any more? you will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
    From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and purifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
    Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
    And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
    Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
    Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah.
    To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? says the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
    When you come to appear before me, who has required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
    Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
    Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
    And when you spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when you make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
    Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil;
    Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
    Come now, and let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
    If you be willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land:
    But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
    How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
    Your silver is become dross, your wine mixed with water:
    Your princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loves gifts, and follows after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither does the cause of the widow come unto them.
    Therefore says the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
    And I will turn my hand upon you, and purely purge away your dross, and take away all your tin:
    Isaiah 1

    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Revelation 16

    • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      I see all the Christian TV Evangelists saying God will bring all the Nations against Israel. Why would God do that.

      My reply:

      This is like the first line spoken by Satan. Did God really say so?

      Genesis 3:1
      [ The Fall of Man ] Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

      You work like the serpent in the garden, spreading confusions into the mind of Christians and non-believers. Please come clean. You need to surrender to the Word of God, not find cleaver ways to explain why the Word of God is null and void, and that the totality of the messages in the Bible leads to contradictions.

      Are you not able to watch TV?

      Can you not see that all the Muslim nations, have refused to recognize the state of Israel?

      Can you not understand the message from men like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

      The West has started to hail Islam, and accuse Israel of being the reason for global unrest.

      Their last enemy will be the Word of God, whom Jesus will return to fulfill all prophecy.

      Please do listen to the Word, and do not follow the example of men like Ray Joseph Cormier.

      • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        It is sad you attack me instead of addressing the Bible scriptures obviously you do not like being cited.

        My comment:

        The very fact that I allow you to be among my public critics, proves that your statement has no merits.

      • With all respect, dear brother ivarfjeld read what you wrote about my comment@ April 11, 2011 at 7:14 am

        You work like the serpent in the garden, spreading confusions into the mind of Christians and non-believers. Please come clean. You need to surrender to the Word of God, not find cleaver ways to explain why the Word of God is null and void, and that the totality of the messages in the Bible leads to contradictions……….
        Please do listen to the Word, and do not follow the example of men like Ray Joseph Cormier.

        If that’s not attacking me personally, deflecting from discussing Matthew 23:37-37 and Revelation 16, I don’t know what is. I can only hope other visitors to your Blog have the courage to recognize the Truth and call a spade a spade.

      • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier.

        Shalom.

        If I do not tell you the truth, I will be the one who deceive my self and you. Your blood will come on my hands. I did not force your to appear on News That Matters. I guess you have come to this site by your own free will?

    • Ray Joseph Cormier,

      You are correct, in that God would not do such a thing. It is not He who leads nations against Israel, but Satan. However, God must allow these things to happen.

      Luke 21:9

      When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”

      • Dear Steve

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        You are correct, in that God would not do such a thing. It is not He who leads nations against Israel, but Satan. However, God must allow these things to happen.

        My reply:

        Steve: You have the right to have your private opinion. The Bible expose you deceiving the readers of NTM.

        Joel 3:2
        I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

        (end of scriptures)

        You have made Satan the ‘Great I am”. The Bible says that God Most High will gather all the nations. I have chosen to believe Him. I will not believe you.

      • Dear Steve.

        Shalom.

        We must be careful not to agree with deceivers. I forgive you. Please watch out so no one deceives you.

      • Dear Steve.

        Shalom.

        The biggest disaster we will face, is people rejecting the Word of God. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit explains to us that even HIS PEOPLE will perish because of lack of knowledge.

        Isaiah 56:10
        Israel’s watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream, they love to sleep.

        Hosea 4:6
        my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

        (end of scriptures).

        We must be careful, embrace the Bible, and never dispute the correctness of the Word of God. Jesus is always right. I am wrong, and I need to repent and obey Him. If we blur, twist or reject the scriptures, we will face judgment.

        Is there scriptures that are difficult to understand?

        Yes. That is why we must humble our selves, and seek divine wisdom in fellowship and Bible studies with each other. Guided by the Holy Spirit, He will lead us into all the truth.

      • Steve, have you considered these scriptures of the Lord? It is Jesus Christ giving the Revelation to John is it not? He repeats it twice, in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 Who is the LORD speaking about here?

        I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
        Revelation 2:9

        Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
        Revelation 3:9

      • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

        Shalom.

        Since God of the Bible warns us that there will be people claiming to be Jews, but are liars, we need to ask for discernment. Who are the false Jews, who claim they are now the chosen people of God, who have replaced the real Jews?

        We must also be careful not to make Satan our God. Many people preach like God of the Bible needs permission from the devil, or needs his help. Satan can not do anything, which has not been approved from above. If you disobey, Jesus can allow Satan to take you for a ride. Therefore: Watch out, so no one deceives you. Obey the scriptures, and do what The Holy Spirit tells you to do.

      • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        You know in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

        My reply:

        This is a doctrine, used in a bid to delete the Jews from the face of the Earth. Claiming that there is suppose to be no Jews any more. But only Christians.

        Galatians 3:27-29

        for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

        (end of scripture)

        If you are right, the nation of Hellas is also a fake statehood. Because there is not suppose to be any “Greek” any more. And all who claim to be “Greek” are liars. If there is no longer any Jew’s among us, nor should there be any male or female. There should be only uni-sex’es walking on Earth.

        What is Paul trying to explain?

        He says there is no longer any distinction between Jews and Greeks. Jesus will accept them both, If they excepts Him. Many Greeks rejects Him, and so is it among the Jewish people.

        I hope this comment was helpful, and gave honor to Jesus.

      • ivarfjeld Armageddon Thru To You Armageddon Thru To You says:
        April 11, 2011 at 6:51 pm says you should ban me from your site. That is your choice and free will, but I caution you to consider,

        He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:11

        Now naturally everyone claiming to believe in Christ would think to themselves they wouldn’t do that, but the LORD says it’s going on.

        We know at the separation of the sheep from the goats our LORD will have already been passing through the earth incognito, in a human form people did not recognize as Christ. We should be very careful attempting to judge people.

        Now I agree with you Satan can do nothing except God allow it for God’s purposes. The example is clearly given in Job.

        Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
        And the LORD said to Satan, Where are you coming from? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
        And the LORD said to Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God,and avoids evil?
        Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Does Job fear God for nothing?
        Have you not made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
        But put out your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.
        And the LORD said to Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; but don’t touch him. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 1:6-12

        Getting into the Spirit of that letter, it tells me,

        Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
        As it is written, For your sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
        Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
        For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
        Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
        Romans 8:35-39

        Remember, we are told to test the spirits. You test me, I test you.

        Then there are those like Armageddon thru to you who don’t want to be tested not having the Spirit of Christ within him to withstand in that Day. His mind is made up and doesn’t want to hear anything that challenges his pre-conceived notions.

        ON ONE here has been willing to discuss this in the scripture and what the message is for our generation?

        And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
        For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
        Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
        And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
        Revelation 16

        Is Armageddon the Will of God or the work of unclean spirits, devils and the false prophet?

        The religious establishment was certain they were right and persecuted Jesus because he didn’t see it the same way they did.

        The story of Job is very interesting to me. The devil was able to bring two different bands of thieves to take away Job’s possessions, and two natural disasters to finish the job.

        And the LORD said to Satan, Where are you coming from? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

        Looking beyond the letter, the people of this world are going to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down it to this very Day.

      • Ray,

        Your Comment: Then there are those like Armageddon thru to you who don’t want to be tested not having the Spirit of Christ within him to withstand in that Day. His mind is made up and doesn’t want to hear anything that challenges his pre-conceived notions.

        My Comment: I do agree that you try and lead people astray using the Word of God by twisting scriptures. You promote universalism, and you will stand in front of Jesus Christ soon, and answer for this. Please repent, and ask Christ to open up your eyes and heart to his Word.

        2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

      • You promote universalism, and you will stand in front of Jesus Christ soon, and answer for this.

        So that where I AM you may be also.

        I assure you I have confidence I already stand before Christ Today.

        I do not understand your objection to the the word universalism.

        The God I love and worship is above the Nations, including Israel. To me that is a Universal God.

        Do you not see God as being that great?

      • Ray,

        You said: I do not understand your objection to the the word universalism.

        My Comment: Well, lets take a look at the word Universalism.

        Universalism (according to Wikipedia means) Universalism broadly refers to a theological belief that all persons and creatures are related to God or the divine and will be reconciled to God.

        Now let’s take a look at the Word of God:

        Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

        Does that sound to you Ray, that everyone will be reconciled with God?

        For Jesus Christ died for our sins, but unless we accept him as our Savior, and follow his Word, then those who refuse God will be cast into the lake of fire. It is written in his word.

    • Dear Richard.

      Shalom, and thanks for this comment.

      Think about what Israel faces today. They can not remove the evil they face, out of fear that a bigger evil will replace it. Surely the last anti-Christ and the true Messiah Jesus will appear very soon.

  2. Thus says the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
    That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:
    And they lay themselves down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.
    Yet I destroyed the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.
    Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.
    And I raised up of your sons for prophets, and of your young men for Nazarites. Is it not even thus, O you children of Israel? says the LORD.
    But you gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.
    Behold, I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves.
    Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself:
    Neither shall he stand that handles the bow; and he that is swift of foot shall not deliver himself: neither shall he that rides the horse deliver himself.
    And he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, says the LORD.
    Amos 2:6-16

  3. Ivarfjeld, you need to ban this Cormier guy. He’s just using your site to spread his twisted new-age version of Christianity

    • Dear Armageddon thru to you.

      Shalom.

      News That Matters do have a policy of whom we do spam.

      1. Those who spread Jew-hate
      2. Those who promote violence.
      3. Those who use filthy language.
      4. Those who insult others without regrets.

      I can not see that Ray Joseph Cormier has breached any of these rules. We do not spam confused souls. We try to guide them towards the truth.

  4. 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

    Isn’t that just like a politician? Telling the people just what they want to hear, but not Truth.

    Your princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loves gifts, and follows after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither does the cause of the widow come unto them.

    While you are distracted by the universalism word,
    it is increasingly evident no one here wants to discuss with an open mind what this scripture is saying to us?

    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Revelation 16

    Is Armageddon the Will of God or the work of unclean spirits, devils and the false prophet?

    You accuse me of twisting scriptures. Tell me what that scripture says to you and that is the beginning of a discussion.

    The story of Paul standing up to Peter should tell us even though we may see things differently, the exchange of ideas with Peace, love and Good Will will bring out the Truth.

    The woman said to him, Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet.
    Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and you say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
    Jesus said to her, Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when you shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
    You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    But the hour comes, and NOW IS, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    John 4:19-24

    • Ray,

      Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and rose, and will come back?

      Do you believe that there is a hell and that those who do not accept Jesus Christ will spend eternity there?

      Do you believe in the Complete Word of God, which is the Holy Bible?

      These require just a yes and no, and I’d appreciate it if you answered it directly.

      • Dear Gloria and Ray.

        Shalom.

        It is funny to debate with people who do not answer direct questions. Ray: You are just like a politician on TV. The Journalist ask a question, and you answer your own questions that was never asked.

        Such debate forums fast become rather pathetic. I normally switch my TV off.

        Ray: Please answer Gloria’s last questions, and display to us that you are interesting in debating with us.

      • “Do you believe that there is a hell and that those who do not accept Jesus Christ will spend eternity there?

        That sounds as rigid as the Islamist thinking toward infidels. Same idea, just re-arranging the words to sound different.

        I believe in the God and Father of Jesus, the Christ Alpha and Omega. They reside in Heaven and as I accept Jesus living in me, I accept God in Jesus living in me on earth. I will not limit what they do in me, but people do limit themselves. We must die to our own selfish self daily to Resurrect to the Spirit of Christ daily.

        So that where I AM, you may be also.

        Hell is for those who don’t believe in the God and Father in heaven. We all have freedom of choice and thought. It is God who will Judge the Nations while The Father Judges no man.

        “Do you believe in the Complete Word of God, which is the Holy Bible?”

        I have answered that in another discussion. Jesus is the complete Word of God made Flesh dwelling in our midst. The Bible is a Good Book on the written History of this world for the last 6000 years. In the Bible it says 1000 years is the same as a Day to God so the God of the Bible has formed this world for the last 6000 years or 6 days. By that same scale, we have arrived at the 3rd Day, when the Spirit of Christ will resurrect in those who believe.

        I previously cited two scriptures that unequivocally state to me The Bible does not contain all the information. It is like a tutor of the Law until Christ come when Believers are justified by Faith and not the works of the Law.

        The very last word of John is,
        And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:25

        As I read this, it tells me there is more to God and Christ than is written in the Bible. It’s that clear and simple.

        And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
        Revelation 10:4

        What this says to me in plain English is when John received the Revelation, there was more, but it’s not in the Book. This says the Bible is not the complete picture.

        Feel free to offer a different meaning. This is only a discussion after all.

        Christ is Risen in Me and in others who worship God in Spirit and in Truth. That is the object and purpose of our Christian Faith in Jesus, who breaks down the barriers between Jew and Greek, male and female, slave or free in this Common Era.

        Father, I pray that they may be one as we are one.

        I have answered your questions clearly and plainly.

        Still no one wants to discuss the message for this generation about Armageddon in Revelation 16

        Now in my view, many people have been indoctrinated to believe they don’t have to worry about Armageddon or do anything to prevent it from coming. Like Jonah who was angry, they want to see God’s vengeance destroy the world.

        That will be just punishment for the unsaved sinners and only the good Christians would be Raptured and physically removed from from having to deal with the unfolding hell on earth. God created it to be a Paradise Garden for all it’s inhabitants.

        If you accept the Bible as being the Word of God, I will not put my blind faith believing in the Rapture because I have read this word of the LORD,

        I PRAY NOT that you should take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil.
        They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
        Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth.
        As you have sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
        And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
        Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
        That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.
        And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
        I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, and has loved them, as you have loved me.
        Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
        O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me.
        And I have declared to them your name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith you have loved me may be in them, and I in them. John 17:13-26

      • Ray,

        From your lack of answers, I do see that you are only interested in twisting the Word to suit your own need, hence 2 Timothy 4:3 describes you to a tee.

        Your Comment: That sounds as rigid as the Islamist thinking toward infidels. Same idea, just re-arranging the words to sound different.

        My Comment: Jesus himself says: Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

        Your Comment: The Bible is a Good Book on the written History of this world for the last 6000 years.

        If you do not believe in the Word of God, and claim “it is just a good book”, then you are believing in a very false doctrine that puts your soul in jeopardy.

        2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

        Did you read that Ray? All scripture is GOD BREATHED.

        Your Comment: I have answered your questions clearly and plainly.

        My Comment: No you have not.

  5. Dear Ray,

    Your theology is more bent towards Catholicism. Catholicism states that people who haven’t heard the gospel can be saved. That Muslims are included in the plan of salvation and that Buddhists and Hindus can reach divine illumination in the worship of their false gods. There is a lot of blending and universalism; the word Catholic means universal.

    They also teach that the Word is not complete, that sacred Tradition and the Bible BOTH is equal and the full word.
    Even though you are not Catholic, your theology somewhat is.
    Since you were raised Catholic, it is natural to have this mindset in theology. The RCC also does not believe in the rapture, but that souls are taken on the last day. They say the Kingdom of God is the Catholic church on earth in a physical form, ie. members and churches around the world.

    • Why does everyone refuse to acknowledge these scriptures? They’re in your Bible as well as mine. If this is a discussion, please tell how you interpret them and see them differently than I do? You are in a state of denial.

      The very last word of John is,
      And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:25

      As I read this, it tells me there is more to God and Christ than is written in the Bible. It’s that clear and simple.

      And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
      Revelation 10:4

      What this says to me in plain English is when John received the Revelation, there was more, but it’s not in the Book. This says the Bible is not the complete picture.

      Feel free to offer a different meaning. This is only a discussion after all.

      • Ray,

        I don’t think you are here to discuss God’s Word and to learn it.

        I think you are here to spread what you think the Word of God says, not what our King is actually saying.

      • Gloria, John 21:25 and Revelation 10:4 is from the Bible. I have had the courage to state clearly how I read the words and no one yet has offered an alternative interpretation, just ignoring evidence that backs up my reply to the question you put to me. If someone does,it may moderate my understanding. No one has yet. I’m open minded enough to deal with whatever reasonable reply you can provide.

        Why don’t you try that Gloria instead of questioning my intentions. You may think this goes only one way, but it goes both ways.

        2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

        I am doing precisely that in presenting the Bible verses I bring forward in discussion but you refuse to acknowledge them.

      • Ray,

        You have not answered my questions directly. You refuse to write Yes or No, and instead use the scriptures, with your own meanings to answer.

        I will try this one more time. PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO. JUST YES OR NO.

        Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and rose, and will come back?

        Do you believe that there is a hell and that those who do not accept Jesus Christ will spend eternity there?

        Do you believe in the Complete Word of God, which is the Holy Bible?

      • Dear Ray,

        I think the Holy Spirit wrote what we needed to know in the written Word. Surely, there were things not written as the scripture said. But in His providence, He gave us what was necessary in learning about Him and how to conduct our lives in following Him.
        The Word also says:
        1 Corinthians 4:6 “Do not go beyond what is written.” (NIV)

        He gave us what we need to know in the Word. When we go beyond the Word is when the water gets murkey and the sky cloudy.
        If we stick to the Word, we have a sure foundation.

        In Him.
        Sue

      • Ray,

        You quote John 21:25, which is a part of the section:

        Jesus Reinstates Peter

        15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?”

        “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”

        Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

        16Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?”

        He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”

        Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

        17The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

        Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

        Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. 18I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”

        20Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

        22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

        24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

        25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

        My Comment: Verse 25 does not make the Bible “partly true” as you seem to indicate. But instead it says, that Jesus did many other things. If you do not believe it now Ray, you and many others who do not believe in the Complete Word of God, will realize there mistake soon. But I do pray that Jesus touches your heart with the truth.

        I have answered your question, now please in turn answer mine, with a yes or no.

        FYI: I agree with you Sue completely. 1 Corinthians 4:6 Do not go beyond what is written.

      • Ray,

        Since you refuse to answer my questions, I will no longer continue this debate with you.

        God Bless you, and may the Lord Jesus Christ The Only King & Savior touch your heart, so that you may see the truth in his Word.

        Gloria

    • The Catholic Church does not have the monopoly on the word Universal.

      If you acknowledge God is above the Nations, then you acknowledge God is Universal. Universal is good in the Heavens but not good on earth?

      All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

      He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
      He came unto his own, and his own received him not.John 1:10-11

      I think God has it all covered, in Heaved and in earth. That’s Universal.

      • Dear Ray Joseph Courmier.

        Shalom.

        You wrote on your own blog.

        “The story in the Bible says Jesus said to Peter, to whom the Pope is Successor, “Feed my Lambs.” The only difference is Jesus said to Peter “Feed my Lambs” first in the sequence, and this is said last in the Spirit of the Day”.

        My reply:

        Based on your own blog, I can see that you acknowledge that the Pope is a “Successor” to Peter. That makes you a Roman Catholic. I do not know who you are, but I can read and see that you are a confused liar and a deceiver. Since you do not tell the truth, neither answer our questions, I will spam you.

        You have not come to News That Matters to debate faith and search for the truth, but continue to mock the truth and spread confusion. You remind me about Jesuit priests, who enters into Protestant Churches on false ID’s. Secretly sent by the Black pope in the Vatican to break true Churches apart.

        Please go somewhere else with your falsehood.

      • Dear all readers.

        I have spammed Ray Joseph Courmier.

        I will permit Him to continue to debate on this forum, If I see fruits of repentance. We need to add one more rule to the spamming regulations. Those who do not debate in the debate forum, but have come to proclaim false doctrines, will not be permitted to continue. Links that leads people into deceptive doctrines, will neither be permitted.

        It is the responsibility of the News That Matters team, that all who follow links from this site, shall not be lead astray. The NTM team will be judged for being the source of leading people away from the narrow path that leads to eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven.

  6. Thanks for banning finally Cormier. Anyone who reads through his postings elsewhere will see he’s not only deceived, but he’s also consumed with deceiving others.

    • Dear all readers.

      For all who wants to know more about why the NTM team had to spam Ray Joseph Cormier.

      Please read this link:

      http://www.wikigrain.org/?req=Ray+Joseph+Cormier

      This man quotes from both the Bible and the Koran on his site, and want to lead us all into the One World Religion that proclaim that all faiths will lead us to the one and only “god”.

  7. Hello,
    this is my first time writing. I thank GOD for your website and all your intentions- To make sure you know HIM, and do what HE says to do! You, Ivar, dont want to pick no sides; and cut no corners! Thanks and Praise be to GOD Almighty!

    • Dear Prudent.

      Shalom, and welcome with this comment.

      You wrote:

      You, Ivar, dont want to pick no sides; and cut no corners!

      My reply:

      If you have read this blog over some time, you will see that News That Matters do not belong to any Christian denomination. We keep a watch on all leaders, to the glory and honor of Jesus our Master. Neither Catholics nor Pentecostal’s will escape our pen, when we come across fake and falsehood.

      There are times when we have written wrong. Than we must be willing to repent, and ask forgiveness from Jesus and those we have wronged. Pray that the NTM team will always be humble, and take instructions from the Holy Spirit, who always gives honor to Jesus the Messiah.

  8. Greetings Ivar! The man Ray obviously is out to deceive
    in what he writes here! I have been following your site
    for the last few weeks. I am concerned about
    deception being portrayed about Jesus, hell, and end
    times. Thank you for speaking
    the truth on your site. We must be watchmen on the wall now! The Lord bless you!

    • Dear Truthlover.

      Shalom.

      Thanks for blessing me. We must not be to quick to use the spam button. Neither must we be to slow to throw the wolfs out of the flock we have been told to look after. There is a balancing line here, for when one of the sheep is changed and transformed and joins the wolfs. Please pray for us that the NTM-team will be guided by Jesus to act wisely, with mercy and justice.

  9. BTW, while the article is the unvarnished, un-embellished Truth describing what The LORD moved me to do in my Faith in Christ, you are so anxious to find fault in me you cannot discern the Truth.

    “Three days later Pope Paul VI, successor to the Apostle Peter died. Jesus spoke those words to Peter/Pope as recorded in John 21:15-25.”

    The Catholic Church claims the Pope is the Successor to Peter the Apostle. That is the Pope’s Official title according to the Catholic Church. I don’t suscribe to that view. but he’s got the position not me.

    I do not call the Pope Holy Father. That is a usurpation

    And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

    • Dear Ray Joseph Cormier.

      Shalom.

      This blog will remain a site of free expression for all who like to join a debate about faith. I challenged you to show fruit of repentance. You latest post that you do not consider the Pope to be “The Holy Father”, is a proof that you are not a Roman Catholic, or a preacher of a One World Religion, that will have the Pope as the head.

      Please feel free to write more comments. Please also answer direct question you will receive from the NTM team.

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